Talk:Legality of cannabis by country/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Poland

The map says that medical use is allowed in Poland, while the table says all uses are illegal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.70.18.97 (talk) 12:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Same here. I just wanted to point it out that cannabis remain illegal in Poland and the map is misleading.

As others already pointed this out, medical cannabis is illegal in Poland. The map is wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.246.78.198 (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

North Korea

According to an expert cited by The Guardian, the legality and wide use of cannabis is a misconception caused by a wide use of a local herb-tobacco product that may look similar to cannabis. Could somebody fix the map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.253.220.75 (talk) 14:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

There does seem to be some confusion over the matter. However, Article 60 of the criminal code was recently updated and included "using, trafficking, or dealing in drugs". Here's the source article, it's at the very bottom. Coinmanj (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've changed to unknown. That seems safest.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

The citation doesn't support this contention. It links to a Huffington Post article with no mention of an herbal mix or any "misconception." In fact, the article supports the opposite conclusion. I've removed the sentence; if you revert, please cite the correct Guardian article.Ctnelsen (talk) 19:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I've changed it back to unknown. The Huffington Post article (and much of the other material found online) that is used to support the claim that it's legal is based on the work of one freelance travel writer named Darmon Richter, who later admitted that he probably got that wrong. The Guardian also ran a piece in order to bust some myths about North Korea, and stated that "But, amusing as it may be to some that the brutal regime has taken a progressive stance on drug policy, experts agree that cannabis is rare and most definitely illegal in North Korea." If nobody has a solid reason to revert this change, I'll edit the map later as well. Zynchronicity (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

While defectors have confirmed that drugs are widely used in North Korea, I am fairly sure that cannabis is illegal. Whether or not the ban is enforced with any vigour is a completely different question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.104.155 (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Cannabis grows wildly in the North, which FunForLouis confirmed in this recent visit. That doesn't make it legal, but it does complicate the issue.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:33, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

North vs. South

So it is legal in the north which is a single party state, and illegal in the South (with screwed up laws even if you are involved with cannabis in a freer country) which is supposed to be a democratic society? At first I thought North Korea was the democracy because of the contrast in cannabis laws made South Korea seem like an unfree society. Were the laws concerning cannabis in North Korea always correct, or were the like most other places and updated to reflect new knowledge (replacing old propaganda) on cannabis since then?

The entries for both Koreas are garbage! 162.213.136.97 (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Formatting

The country column needs to have whatever is generating the underline under each country name removed. It visually resembles the table grid enough that this article is now being mocked for poor layout and design on social media. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

It appears this fix is moving all the table entry lines to === header level for the country flag / title from ==. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Map

I don't want to appear heavy-handed here; believe me I'm completely open to comments from other editors regarding this list; but I think it's time to 'retire' the map that's currently illustrating the article, at least until it's updated. I counted three legal jurisdictional categories in the western hemisphere alone that are now completely out of date; Ontario (Canada), Mexico and Chile, it really makes me wonder about the accuracy of the rest of the entries; in particular those that appear to conflict with information that we've already got on the page. Don't get me wrong, maps are wonderful additions to articles, but at a certain point, if they're not updated every so often, they can actually be more misleading than no information at all. In my opinion labelling a map "possibly outdated" only compounds the issue. Which brings me to my last point. Informing readers at the top of the list that the information contained in it is possibly "outdated" or unreliable is not good practice in my opinion. If any information in the encyclopedia's content is considered unreliable, policy say it shouldn't be included in the first place. One last thing; could someone who is more 'confident' than I am in their code editing talents, please repair the "Albania" (top) entry? thank you Deconstructhis (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

→It's has been greatly clarified now with the distinction between the recreational map and the medical map.Frimmin (talk) 00:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

In this map there are both sovereign countries and states of the United States of America. The title of the article is "legality of cannabis by country" and in the list there are only countries. How to fix this discrepancy? Syats (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The map is currenly inconsistent with the article. As an example cannabis usage is currently illegal in Denmark. Furthermore it doesn't cite sources regarding medical usage. nielsle

Hello, As you can see at the "External Links" - We built a map that pulls the data from this page automatically and displays it on a map. I think this map should be presented instead of the "image" map on the top-right of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.154.131 (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

New map added, though updates to the map or to the article may still be needed. -- Beland (talk) 03:48, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Table sorting doesn't work

Currently, the table sorting isn't working correctly (apart from the country names). This should be fixable with some sort key templates. Kaldari (talk) 23:15, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Bangladesh

Why is Bangladesh green (legal medical and recreational use) in the map but red (illegal) in the table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keleti (talk • contribs) 20:52, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

The map is incorrect. Kaldari (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Overall needed improvements at Legality of cannabis by country

This article gets over 1 million views per year, so it's one of the most popular cannabis articles (even more-viewed than hashish). I suggest it's worth putting some effort into improving it, and I've made a bunch of general upgrades like splitting off country-specific articles (up to about 89 standalone now), linking them in, trimming excessive wordiness from the chart, etc. I suggest we discuss for a bit how to really make this chart useful, then make some major changes. From what I'm seeing:

• Chart formatting overall appears to have issues with layout and sortability. Once we straighten out our other priorities, maybe we can go to a larger technical forum on Wikipedia and ask for programming help to format it in the most useful way possible?

• As mentioned some years back, the Transport column seems of limited use. Best as I can tell, it only applies to states that have specific rules for a different possession amount (or none) allowed outside the home while allowing some amount on private property. It's not really a huge distinction in most cases, we lack info on it in nearly all cases, and meanwhile it's taking up a huge chunk of the chart. I suggest we get rid of this column.

• We could replace that column with Medical. Right now the chart is really focused just on whether possession is allowed or now, so mainly highlighting the countries that have decriminalized and a couple legal countries. The chart doesn't at all depict medical, despite the chart title being pretty open-ended. I think we should replace Transport with a Medical column (in whichever order of the columns) and that will add a lot more green to the chart and really highlight the differences between countries.

• The Notes boxes should be kept very concise. I suggest that we mainly use them to answer the question "how did the current state of affairs come into being?" So illegal countries we could state when/how it was banned, decrim countries what year of decrim, what year medical became allowed, etc. I think detailed discussion of penalties or whatnot should stay in the main standalone country article.

Those are my suggestions so far, what do folks think? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2016

Hello, Someone added the country "Guinea-Bissau" which doesn't exists - and it's screws up the dynamic live map on cannabislegality.com. Please remove this country from the list. Thanks Orenlebo (talk) 15:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Guinea-Bissau most definitely does exist - and if there is a problem with a map at cannabislegality.com please take it up with them - It is not our problem - Arjayay (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I added East Timor today too; there are a number of real countries not on this list that need to be added, and cannabislegality.com will presumably need to add them too. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 05:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2017

Add Israel to the decriminalized list High byte (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 10:30, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

wrong information about Czech republic

Cannabis is ilegal in Czech republic, just possesion of small ammount is not considered as crime, but merely as offence. Ony leagel use is for medical purpose, but there are strict rules for this. If you write just "decriminalized", so it look nearly, like it is leagal. I want to sugest delet this sentence "Popular destination for smokers.[60][61]" - there is more reasons for it. There are links and , but first page doesnt exist and second show just prewiev, which doesnt contain any such information. It's cleare, that there isnt any reason for such information. You could say something such about Netherlanden, but not about Czech republic. Especially with that information about decriminalization it give together absolutely wrong information.

I did some research. For possession under 15 grams, it has been decriminalized. A fine for possession of small quantities is NOT a criminal matter but a misdemeanor. I revised the Cannabis in the Czech Republic article as follows:

Generally possession of up to 15 grams of dry cannabis for personal use, or cultivation of up to five plants, is merely a misdemeanor based on new laws (via a non incrimination decree, 467/2009 Coll.) enacted in 2010. On conviction, a fine is charged, up to CZK 15,000. Cannabis for recreation use is easy to obtain at concerts and in bars. In spite of the leniency, cannabis remains illegal. Possession of larger amounts can lead to a jail sentence of one year. Trafficking is a major crime, with the maximum penalty set at 18 years."Czech Republic Marijuana Information". Kush Tourism. Kush Tourism LLC. 2017. Retrieved 23 January 2017. If you have more than 15 grams of cannabis or are growing more than five plants, the maximum penalty is a custodial sentence of one year. However, simple possession charges rarely receive the maximum charge.... Hughes, Brendan (March 2010). "New Czech penal code enters into force". Drugnet Europe. Drugnet Europe. Retrieved 23 January 2017. the new penal code criminalises the cultivation or possession of an illicit drug for personal use when the quantity is 'greater than small'. However, the new code now establishes quantity limits via a binding governmental decree (No 467/2009 Coll.) (2). For example, it stipulates that a crime is committed on possession of more than 5g of cannabis resin (previously 10g), 15g of herbal cannabis or 1g of cocaine, and on cultivation of more than five marijuana plants. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I do not consider that informations as enought accurate. At first, if you mention "minor fine", if is unclear and relative. Of course if you are from more rich country, then is Czech republic, you can think so, but for czech it isnt co few money and mostly countries is more poor, and a lot of foriners come to Czech republic from countries like Ukraina, Kazachstan or Vietnam. For this reason I find much more suiteble to write exactly value of punishment. At second, I have to write, thet there wasnt deleted sentence "Popular destination for smokers.[60][61]" - as you can read above, there isnt any source for this information. There are two links, but one is clearly non-functional and other is irrelevant. Try read that article. If you feel such source to be sufficient for such statement, so you can copy it to all other countries too.

It look, that some people here imagine Czech republic as drug paradise, if it is so, surelly czech people are not going to visit Netherlanden so ofen. There is one more think, which wikipedia copletely ignore: Crime is not just possesion of small ammount. But there is other crime, called "spreading of drug addiction" - there is no limit ammount for this crime - basicly talk, you commit it anytime, when you allow anybody to get illegal drug. It include really wide range of situations, e.g. when you shere "joint" marihuana cigaret with friend. And becouse it look, that some pople think, that they can write any desinformation, and just say, that czech police in the real doesnt punish it, so here you have one link, which prove, that they do: http://www.policie.cz/clanek/sprava-jihoceskeho-kraje-zpravodajstvi-sireni-toxikomanie.aspx --2400:6180:0:D0:0:0:107C:8001 (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2017

Hello Wikipedia :)

I use data from this table for a live map, which is part of a project I do - the first and only live dynamic map of the world's Cannabis laws.

I added more than 50% of the countries on that list about a year ago, and kept it organized until you locked it from editing.

Hopefully you can let me keep it updated and so the map will be updated too.

Thank you!

Oren Lebovitch Editor in Chief The Israeli Cannabis Magazine Orenlebbo (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:50, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Georgia

Georgia part is outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.43.81.61 (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done @31.43.81.61:, thanks for the cite; I've changed Georgia's possession box to yellow, and updated Cannabis in Georgia (country). Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2017

Hi, Please color Turkey in Yellow as it should be. Thanks Orenlebbo (talk) 15:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Two columns are in yellow. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 16:29, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I meant - Please color it in RED. Possesion and Cultivation are illegal and should be n RED — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orenlebbo (talk • contribs) 11:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Orenlebbo:, can you provide any citations to news sources, books, etc (in any language) supporting your proposed change? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2017

Hello,

Israel haven't decriminalize Cannabis!

The proposed law haven't got into effect AND even if it were - it doesn't implement decriminalization, but a kind of none-enforcement. This is suppose to happen in couple of months at least. The current data is just wrong! Orenlebbo (talk) 09:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: User:Thorasin seems to have clarifed Israel's entry in this edit. Please reply here if that is still incorrect, and change |answered=yes back to |answered=no. TheDragonFire (talk) 11:42, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, no. it is incorrect. Israel haven't decriminalize Cannabis and isn't about to.

Done I reverted back to the way it was. It is still illegal in Israel, the full parliament needs to vote on the measure so the decriminalization is not yet in force. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Canada

Cannabis possession, sale. transport and cultivation for are all explicitly outlawed in Canada and is a criminal offence - there are exceptions for medical and industrial purposes and there are certain police forces that might, if you are lucky, overlook a possession offence. The exceptions and whether you are lucky does not mean that cannabis is legal in the context that this list is intended. It it no more legal to to possess. sell, cultivate or transport cannabis as it is heroin or cocaine in Canada - both of which is legal if you have a license or a prescription to do so but that doesn't mean those substances are partially or quasi legal.--74.220.184.198 (talk) 00:57, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I'm confused about this list. Is it supposed to be about the legality of cannabis in general, or specifically the kind used to produce marijuana? The title suggests the former. In Canada, the species of cannabis used to produce industrial hemp is legal, but this page simply says illegal. Maybe this page should be clarified as to what is meant by cannabis? Spock of Vulcan (talk) 19:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

If it's so, it should hhave been changed! I'll try to right up. Konstruktiv II (talk) 16:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This page says that possession and even sale of cannabis under 1oz is decriminalized in Canada. I live here, and in no way is there any (nor has there ever been any) decriminalization in this country. I'd just change it, but am wondering why this was done in the first place. Is it because enforcement against small-time possession and sale is not particularly enforced? Or the constitutionality debate (which still leaves all the laws intact until November of this year--2011.) if no one has a counter-argument, I'll change the table to reflect that possession and sale are illegal here (except for medical use by prescription.) Fridgebuzz (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I found the proper reference. Cannabis possession and sale is definitely illegal. The penalties for possession under 30g are not especially harsh ($1000 fine and/or 6 months in jail--given the broad acceptance here I'm just guessing that most judges will settle for the fine especially on a first offense.) Fridgebuzz (talk) 13:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

someone needs to change it back to illegal, but sometimes unpunished, its definately not decriminalized whoever changed it back is retarded, source, apossesion charge under 7 grams in canada, in 2015
Will soon be legal in Canada. Source - http://www.newsweek.com/canada-brink-making-marijuana-legal-388628— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.244.70 (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC) Don't quote me on this, but it seems that 4/20 might be the date legalization in Canada becomes official.

Cultivation for medical purposes subject to license but is legal. A medical prescription of 60 grams/month is allowed a total of 10 plants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.121.231 (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Map - Netherlands should be orange

There should be a change in the map provided in which the Netherlands should be orange instead of blue. As shown in the table, cannabis is decriminalized in the Netherlands but is not legal. Legal purchase is only available in certain coffeshops. Helper201 (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Blue indicates "legal or essentially legal". I think the latter term was especially coined for the situation in the Netherlands. In fact I believe, even Spain should be blue, since the possession of small amounts and use in private areas is legal according to the description in the article itself which would be a even more liberal policy than in the Netherlands. --Gbuvn (talk) 06:23, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

North Korea

New articles have come out that specify that North Korea has legalized marijuana (blue) or it is illegal but unenforced (orange). In an above section it mentions some articles that point to this, but it would be most useful to someone researching whether or not to change the status of North Korea to search Google for "north korea marijuana". There is also an article on Wikipedia itself: Cannabis in North Korea.

104.228.101.152 (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Here is one reputable source I found: [[1]]

104.228.101.152 (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2017

Israel DID NOT decriminalize Cannabis! There's a plan to change some of the Cannabis laws, but it is not decriminalization. 79.181.169.224 (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 talk contribs 16:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

How can one prove that something did not happen?! Maybe you should prove that it DID happen? If you insist, there's the Israeli official drugs law right here: https://www.nevo.co.il/law_html/Law01/P170_001.htm

• Comment. From Cannabis in Israel:

  "In March 2017, the Cabinet voted to lower the penalty for public possession and use of cannabis to a fine. Fines for a first offense would be approximately US$270, with fines rising with repeated offenses, and possible jail-time after a fourth offense. The measure would require a vote in the Knesset to become binding."

  The passage appears to be reliably sourced. If this can be verified as currently correct, then the information in this article would appear to be wrong. (If the Knesset votes this change into law, it would arguably be decriminalization, which can be defined variously but doesn't necessarily mean complete legality.) Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 17:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Partly done: Sources indicate that decriminilization is still in the legislative process. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-marijuana-cannabis-decriminalise-decriminalize-legalise-weed-personal-use-jerusalem-a7547396.html, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/world/middleeast/israel-marijuana-benjamin-netanyahu.html?_r=0 Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Why did you delete my reply? Is this how Wikipedia's working? Israel Must be in RED background and not yellow - since it never been decriminalized Cannabis (even though you found several fake news websites). This is a fact and you wrote it yourself but chose to ignore it.I built this whole table of ciuntries myself and it feels pretty bad that someone else is ruining it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.0.152 (talk) 06:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

While I don't have an opinion on the topic of whether cannabis is decriminalized in Israel or not, it definitely doesn't matter who built which table. It doesn't tell much about whether you're right about this or not. --Gbuvn (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

It appears, with the way this is being handled, that you're trying to get this changed on original research. Unfortunately, this is not how Wikipedia works; there needs to be reliable sources to back up claims like this. We cannot accept changes without them.

Also, I removed your comment because you didn't sign your post. Please read your messages for an explanation of how to do so. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

It is generally inappropriate to remove another editor's talk page message solely because it is unsigned. Here was the post that was removed:

I don't know who you are or where you're from, but i'm from Israel. As you linked, the Cabinet did vote for lowering penalties, but ONLY if one admits the CRIMINAL offense. So no decriminalization (https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/hold-applause-israels-decrim-law-aint). Even if it was a real decriminalization - the law did not receive the final approve and still needs to be written and then voted on again. Voting in Cabinet is not enough for setting a law in Israel, that's the reality, otherwise you can keep on inventing truth. BTW - it is kind of funny that you chose to ignore part of the sentence that you quoted from "Cannabis in Israel" page on Wikipedia. It clearly says: "...and possible jail-time after a fourth offense. The measure would require a vote in the Knesset to become binding." - so id it's "reliable source" as you mention, than change the color back to red because the israelis still get criminal records for possession of Cannabis these days! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.0.152 (talk) 03:20, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Mz7 (talk) 04:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

As for changing the background color of the "Possession" cell of Israel from yellow to red, the article still reflects that cannabis possession is legal for medicinal use, citing this source. Other cells in this table are also yellow when possession is legal for medicinal use, so I'm not sure this cell should be changed to red. The article has been changed to reflect that recreational use of cannabis is planned, but still illegal. Is this satisfactory? Mz7 (talk) 04:20, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

South Africa

South Africa is wrong. People are marching on the streets for cannabis legalization right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.43.155 (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Just to clarify the legal status in South Africa: This article in relation to legality of cannabis in South Africa, incorrectly states that it is legal for posession and cultivation. It presumably relies, incorrectly, on a court judgement earlier this year (2017) in the SA Western Cape High Court where Judge Davis ruled that our currently cannabis laws are unconstitutional as it infringes on right to private use, and therefore possession and cultivation of cannabis should be legal at your private home. This judgement however is still subject to confirmation by SA's highest court, the Constitutional Court, within 24 months. And even after that parliament still has to change the law should the Const Court confirm the WC High Court judgement. I see numerous other people are also complaining about false information of other countries on this page. Please research properly. JohanClaassen (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2017

In the notes section for Singapore: change 15g to 500g and change mandatory death sentence to possible death sentence. For reference see article: Cannabis in Singapore. Geroza (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:52, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Its not really illegal in Afg since it is found everywhere and even sold on side of the roads and in Bazar's in market places. Nor is growing the weed or consuming it illegal. Its written in this article http://rockthetruth.blogspot.ca/2007/11/afghanistans-hippies.htmlAkmal94 (talk) 11:14, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Availability ≠ legality. Blog ≠ reliable sourcce. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 16:11, 26 August 2017 (UTC)