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This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    In the biography section, this sentence needs sourcing ---> "As a former standup comedian, David was a writer and cast member for ABC's Fridays from 1980 to 1982, and a writer for NBC's Saturday Night Live from 1984 to 1985. During his time at SNL, he only managed to get one of his sketches on the show — the last sketch of the night where the weaker sketches are usually scheduled. David quit his writing job at SNL mid-season, only to show up to work a few days later to act as though nothing had happened." The paragraph in the Seinfeld section needs a source, as IMDB is not a reliable source.
    C. It contains no original research:
    IMDB is not a reliable source.
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
    In the Seinfeld section this sentence ---> "The commercial success of Seinfeld has made creators David and Jerry Seinfeld multimillionaires, with syndication and DVD releases earning them hundreds of millions of dollars", sounds like POV and needs to be re-written. Does Reference 19 cover this sentence --->"The basis of the show is Larry's life now that he has earned a fortune and has very little to do in semi-retirement. Alongside David is his wife Cheryl (played by Cheryl Hines), his manager and best friend Jeff (played by Jeff Garlin), and Jeff's wife Susie (played by Susie Essman). Celebrities including comedians Richard Lewis, Bob Einstein and Wanda Sykes, and actors Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen have had either recurring roles or guest appearances on the show"?
  5. Is it stable?
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    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    If the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article! Also, contact me if the above statements are answered.

--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

All done! Gary King (talk) 20:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you to Gary King for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture

File:Larry David-2.jpg

In the German Wikipedia, we use this picture of Larry David; now, he really looks like him, but is this really Larry David or someone who looks like him?--85.178.149.164 (talk) 06:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope Larry David sees this picture. It might give him some ideas for upcoming Curb seasons. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

When discussing photographic images of Larry David, care must be taken to avoid confusion with images of Jonas Salk. This confusion occasionally results from the mere fact that they may both have patronized the same barber.Lestrade (talk) 15:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Lestrade

HBO/NBC

"..In 1999, he created the HBO series Curb Your Enthusiasm..".
Shouldn't "seinfeld" be "NBC series seinfeld", just like "HBO series Curb Your Enthusiasm"? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

"native american"

Larry David's nationality is given as "native american" in the infobox. I'm sorry but this seems odd to me as when i think native american, i think american indian. am i wrong? Phil Nolte (talk) 13:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

at time of posting, i was not aware of this change to "native american" being a concerted attempt by IP vandals on Larry David's page. I have deleted the vandalism Phil Nolte (talk) 15:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.thrfeed.com/larry-david-gets-the-results-of-his-dna-test-video.html69.158.6.49 (talk) 18:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I watched that, and it says Larry is 37% Native American according to "the DNA testing center in Cincinnati." I don't think that is sufficient to change his nationality. Firstly, he's still 63% European (if we decide we are going to believe DNA testing organized by a talk show host), and secondly they were not able to say what tribe/nationality he would have been, and he has not publicly stated that he considers himself a Native American. "Native American" is not a nationality anyway, it is a race. Sioux or Lakota or Tlingit are just few of the many nationalities of North American native people, they are not and never were one cohesive nation. Regardless, I'm sure this will be edit-warred over in perpetuity from today onwards. I've added a hidden comment to the infobox in an attempt to stop this from happening. And yes, Phil Nolte, Native American is the politically correct term for the peoples formerly known as American Indians. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Larry David is 37% native american, and 63% european. It is an objective fact regarding the human "Larry David."Hardassteel (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Native American?

Um, I'm guessing the Lopez bit where Larry was determined to be 37% Native American was a joke. I can't think of anyone less Native American than Larry. Is Woody Allen 9% African American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwoodw1 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Deciding for ourselves that it was a joke would be original research, as Lopez said several time that it was for real. Whether it's important enough to be in the article is another matter, and one I think we should discuss here. I don't think it is, we don't need to racially profile every person with a biography on Wikipedia, and it adds nothing substantive to the article. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I would agree that it's not important enough for the article. Phil Nolte (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
37%? That's a lot - close to half. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 05:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
But what real information about Larry is related by it? He obviously does not identify himself as a Native American and never has. It just genetics. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
But don't we generally classify someone's ethnic/racial heritage regardless if they've publicly identified with it or not? I could probably come up with plenty who are categorized as African-Americans who've never spoken about their race publicly. Not that he should be categorized as such, but I don't think it's irrelevant to a biographical article. I'm not sure how someone could take "oh, it's just genetics" seriously, since it is literally what defines practically every physical detail of you. I mean, I'm white, mostly of Danish descent, but if I don't choose to identify as it, I'm not of Danish descent suddenly? My point is mostly that this is just a VERY arbitrary reason to exclude it. It might not be particularly notable, but it is a biographical article, and wouldn't give anything any undue weight to put in a quick mention. 98.168.192.162 (talk) 15:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
It's one third of his genetic makeup (again if we are going to trust DNA testing organized by a talk show host). It is no way shape or form a defining characteristic of his life or career, just a tiny piece of trivia that made for a few minutes of mildly amusing tv. I don't think we do post most people's entire genetic makeup in their bio, but I'm always open to the possibility that I'm wrong about that if you have evidence to the contrary. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If that percentage is right at the very leat one of his grand parents had to be a full native american. I doubt this is something he would not know, so i doubt the validity of this unless Larry has more to add. Duhon (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Need clear distinction between Curb Your Enthusiasm and Curb: The Discussion

This article is missing a necessary transition, namely, from the paragraph describing _Curb Your Enthusiasm_ to the paragraph describing _Curb: The Discussion_. As it is currently written, the article appears to suggest that the seventh season of _Curb Your Enthusiasm_ originally aired on the TV Guide Network. This problem could easily be fixed by having an introductory sentence (in the paragraph about _Curb: The Discussion_), i.e., a sentence which makes clear that the article is moving onto the description of an altogether different TV series. (I would have fixed it myself, but am not sufficiently familiar with _Curb: The Discussion_ to write about it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.91.217.253 (talk) 09:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

DNA Test

In the show Lopez Tonight David's DNA test showed he is 63% European and 37% Native American indian.--Anen87 (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Those tests are not really that scientific. He's not actually native american at all. 97.91.172.232 (talk) 05:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
hugh??? xP DNA IS purely scientific! He is not native american at a cultural level since he did not grew up with it so he is not regarded as a native american comdedian/actor but having 37% Native American indian blood (which is considered a lot) is undeniable, regardless of how he looks!
Hi. I think the unscientific part comes from that it was for a talk show so it might have been unserious. Also another point to note is that if a person is 3/8th native american, they really should know that they are 3/8th. that means 3 of their great grandparents were native american. It also is very probable that one of his grandparents would be native american (assuming that 2 of the 3 native american grandparents married each other) so from that perspective, it should be treated with skepticism Phil Nolte (talk) 10:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
There are several kinds of "DNA tests". The one used by this show that offers percentages of ethnic groups is not a particularly scientific endeavor and is more about commercialism than anything else. DNA tests are scientific for determining if someone is a parent of a child or close relative, but these tests are not what you think they are. The human genome project thing was only done in 2003. They are still collecting dna samples from the various indiginous groups around the world. They have not figured out how exactly how everything combines with mixed race children. 97.91.172.232 (talk) 04:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
here's a non technical explanation of why that test is not accurate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/playing-with-dna-is-larry_b_402795.html 97.91.172.232 (talk) 04:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
So... how about including both sources and letting the readers decide for themselves, instead of endorsing either one? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 17:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Because its silly to keep it in. He's not native american. The test is bogus. Your source of the george lopez show is not a good one. 24.207.129.95 (talk) 17:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Again... we should let the readers decide for themselves, instead of imposing this particular view of the Lopez show. I suggest you read WP:NPOV. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, the Huffington Post article cited above gives a seemingly plausible explanation for what happened. Specifically, its author states: "When Larry David responded as if his 37 percent Native American results were a joke, his instincts were correct. The best known quirk of the test Lopez Tonight is using is its problem distinguishing between Asian and Native American (understandable, given that if you go back far enough, Native Americans originate from Asia), but a lesser known quirk is its tendency to assign Native American percentages to many of Iberian, Italian and Ashkenazi heritage - and Larry David is Ashkenazi."

On the other hand, the specific question being debated here seems to be this: "Were the alleged DNA results, as reported on the George Lopez Show, sufficiently serious to be mentioned in Larry David's Wikipedia article?" Ironically, though, if one accepts the answer given in the Huffington Post article, then one would seemingly have to recognize that this "whole affair" belongs in the Wikipedia article. That is, on the one hand, it appears fairly clear that Larry David is not 37% Native American; on the other hand, the DNA results as reported on the George Lopez Show weren't merely a hoax or comedic prank — it was a serious test, but which gave erroneous results in this particular circumstance, and for a reason that was subtle enough to warrant Huffington Post's publishing of genealogy expert's explanation of the error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.91.217.253 (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Seinfield Income.

this sentence - Syndication of Seinfeld earned David an estimated US$250 million in 1998 alone. This amount has been steadily decreasing each year, but payments will continue until the full $1.7 billion from the original deal has been paid. In 2008 David made $55 million from Seinfeld syndication, DVD sales, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.

makes it sound the he will make 1.7 billion from syndication and received $250 in 1998.

but if you read the citation it reads. "Both Seinfeld and David benefited from the $1.7 billion sale of "Seinfeld" into syndication. While Forbes acknowledged that they may not see all of the money for a few years, it credited them with the whole amount in 1998." to me this reads the seinfeld syndication rights were sold for 1.7 billion and larry will receive his share of ~250 million over the course of a few years but forbes recorded the whole some as income for that year.

I think we need a sentence Like.

Syndication of Seinfeld earned David an estimated US$250 million. (source will be needed)

Mrebus (talk) 13:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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Didn't walk out on first episode of season

Article said he quit on the first episode of his first season. In an interview with Kevin Pollock, Larry says it was 5-6 episodes after the first episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.138.202 (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Historian?

The article says he has a degree in history, but is there some other source for stating he's a historian? I think if you didn't already know who he was and the first thing you read in this article is a line about him being an American historian then you're going to have a pretty warped view of who he is. It's a fairly common problem with celebrity Wikipedia pages where they have a zillion professions based on the fact they dabbled in something once, but I don't know enough about Larry David to know if this is justified here or not. 210.136.45.202 (talk) 08:32, 23 November 2018 (UTC)


I completely agree! Use of the term "Historian" here is totally inappropriate even if he has a degree in history. I call for it to be removed posthaste. Rayansb (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

"Bernie Sanders"

First of all, Bernie Sanders is not the title of a work and so should not be italicized. But second of all... should that really be a whole section? Are there good guidelines on what is significant enough to take a section? It's a single part that he's played for, what, minutes. 69.112.107.56 (talk) 03:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Early life

Is it me or does that section seem a bit lacking in information? Jerry Steinfield (talk) 05:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

"Larry David also worked as a store clerk, limousine driver, and historian"

historian? I looked everywhere for a source that said Larry David worked as a historian but couldn't find anything! he has a degree in history but that doesn't mean the man worked as a historian once! Rayansb (talk) 23:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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