Talk:La Verna cave

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Where is it?[edit]

As it reads right now, there is nothing saying where this cave is in general. It says it's part of some other cave system or such and gives a link to the article for that at the French Wikipedia. Nowhere does it say "La Verna is in the town of so-and-so in such-and-such-country." I'm assuming it's in France somewhere but that's never explicitly said. Dismas|^(talk) 21:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The approximate coordinates of the cave are : 42,9778 N, 0,7939 W (google maps. It's on the junction of three communes: Sainte-Engrace, Arette and Aramits, in the south-west of France. I've tried to add a box with photographs and position, town, country, but didn't succeed. I'm a caver, not a computer (wikipedia) expert... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camuspeleo (talk • contribs) 12:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Camuspeleo (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please correct two of the contributions made to this article[edit]

Some changes were made to the article, most of which -in my opinion- were good. Thank you for contributing! Two of these changes, however, were incorrect. 1. the underground river (name: Saint Vincent) enters La Verna chamber from the EAST not the WEST!!! 2. the total surveyed length of the cavities in the PSM karst is 437 kms; I quote the president of the ARSIP, Michel DOUAT, whom I know personally:

"je te confirme que le cumul du développement de 1471 cavités rescencées sous le massif de la Pierre Saint Martin est bien de 437 km au 01/04/2015. Les 148 km sont des données anciennes relevées sur la synthèse éditée chaque année (235 km en 2014). Or, cette donnée représente uniquement les topographies numérisées reportées sur la synthèse. Les topographies anciennes ne figurent pas dans cette donnée (par exemple la Pierre et le Lonné Peyret). Les topographies de la multitude de petites cavités non plus. Il faut donc préciser que les 437 km sont le cumul du développement de toutes les cavités du massif de la PSM.

Je te joins une copie d'écran des statistiques de la base de données ARSIP. Tu constate que les 10 cavités les plus importantes représentent déjà un développement de 261 km (83 pour le seul réseau PSM - Partages).

Il faudrait savoir qui a modifié le texte d'origine sur Wikipedia et lui donner les bonnes informations."

All this information can be found and verified by contacting the ARSIP - Association de Recherche Spéléologique Internationale de la Pierre Saint Martin. Camuspeleo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camuspeleo (talk • contribs) 12:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right about the river entering the Verna - mea culpa.
Although there are over 400 km of surveyed cave passage in the PSM Karst, these are in many different caves. The length of a cave is a measure of the length of connected passage, not the total length of separate systems. The reference I gave provides the length of passage in the PSM System, including the Gouffre des Partages which has been connected to the PSM. As this is an article about a fragment of the PSM System, it is appropriate to give the length of the PSM system. Langcliffe (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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