Talk:LGBT rights in the United States/Archive 2

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Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Technoculture 320-01

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 January 2023 and 8 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Elksforest (article contribs). Peer reviewers: SirEze.

— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Bias in Transgender Rights Section

The article reports on much discrimination against transgender people and communities, but does not address counterpoints and concerns related, for example, to women’s rights and psychological research on the effects of gender dsyphoria and the links to mental health concerns, or the underlying causes of the discrimination shown in the data that do not necessarily have a causal link with a person being transgender. I am not qualified to discuss these at any length and hope someone more qualified can help, but I believe the article is biased in the manner I have outlined. The article’s coverage is good and in depth, but not balanced, as wikipedias bias guidelines state it should be. 31.94.37.36 (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by not addressing counterpoints. Cadenrock1 (talk) Cadenrock1 (talk) 18:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 26 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 22:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

LGBT rights in the United States → LGBTQI+ rights in the United States – Rename it to "LGBTQI+ rights in the United States", as that is the acronym used by the current presidential administration's executive orders? Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 23:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose - The article is far too long already. If anything, we should split the page into 3 different articles:
LGB rights in the United States — rights for non-heterosexuals.
Transgender rights in the United States — rights for non-cisgender people.
Intersex rights in the United States — rights for intersex people.
"LGB(T) rights in the United States" is WP: Commonname and is in line with every other country's pages on LGBT+ rights presently. (e.g. Canada, Australia, Hungary, et al.)
My suggestion is to make LGBT rights in the United States a disambiguation for the three above topics. KlayCax (talk) 02:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
First, let me say I Support this idea - and let me clarify to everyone, I have no preference. I merely suggested the move because it seems the old discussion never reached an end. The disambiguation idea sounds good to me, though. Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 23:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Procedural oppose This page should remain consistent with other "LGBT rights in..." and arguably the LGBT article itself, as well as any article with a descriptive title that uses LGBT. Get consensus to move them all at once. However, I doubt such a proposal would succeed given the NGRAM. If the page is split into three as suggested above, it should be "Gay rights in..." as the WP:COMMONNAME as "LGB" is not a common acronym. (t · c) buidhe 01:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Oppose splitting per buidhe. 〜 Festucalex • talk 05:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose. Due to the preponderance of possible alternative acronyms, I very strongly suggest that the "LGBT rights in {country}" suite of articles should not be moved unless the main LGBT article itself is moved to something else (LGBTQ, LGBTQ+, LGBTQIA+, LGBTQI+, etc.) 〜 Festucalex • talk 05:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. Not an improvement, and we should not blindly follow the POTUS-of-the-day's style preference while excluding consideration of other usage. Walt Yoder (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Comment: “Queer rights in the United States” seems like a good alternative. But it looks like that wouldn’t be the common name. Prcc27 (talk) 22:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose The common name is ok and most people expect the heading to include the QIA+ by implcation. A split is also ill advised. Jorahm (talk) 22:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Lede info

@KlayClax removed info re: right-wing opposition to LGBT rights from the lede section to elsewhere in the article. While I notice they seem to have introduced another sentence on the end regarding opinion polling on trans rights, that isn't necessarily the same thing as legislative actions taken on a state level. The rationale for moving the former was said to have been based on consensus but I cannot see anything on that either on the talk page or in the main edit history. Totalibe (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

"Highest in the world"? -- odd phrasing

What are "high rights"? Shouldn't it say "best" or "most advanced"? 2A00:23C5:FE56:6C01:F8C4:96AD:82B8:7BFF (talk) 22:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I changed it to "most advanced". :) KlayCax (talk) 20:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"74% of Americans agree that same-sex marriage should be a guaranteed right while 13% disagree"

13% opposition seemed abnormally lower than any other poll, so I looked at the poll.

"For each of the following, please tell me if your view is that it is a right that should be guaranteed to all Americans or if this is best left to elected officials to decide."

74% supported same-sex marriage as a guaranteed right in this poll, while 13% said "best left to elected officials," and 13% said "not sure." I feel like the wording on this poll is pretty different from usual polls on this, and realistically, a lot that "not sure" would be people who oppose same-sex marriage but didn't know what to answer.

Other polls would probably be better for this:

Gallup May 2023: 71% support same-sex marriage, while 28% oppose it. Could also include the fact 89% of 18-29 year olds support it in this poll.

Pew Research Spring 2023 Global Values Survey: 63% "somewhat or strongly favor" same-sex marriage, while 34% "somewhat or strongly oppose" it. 68.199.219.7 (talk) 11:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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