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Here is the link to a 2010 or so doctoral thesis that should be used at the very least for its alternative viewpoint on Kumarbi and related articles. http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/817439/1/817439.pdf 71.163.117.143 (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Archived link with Hittite Myths from Emory University[edit]

The Hittite Myths "Kingship in Heaven" and "Song of Ullikummi" are provided on this archived URL: https://web.archive.org/web/20050421041828/http://www.classics.emory.edu:80/Resources98/myth01.html

While a search for the same page and title at current Emory University site gives no results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Eldritch (talk • contribs) 20:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hittite mythology[edit]

In the article about Anu, we can read the following

"In ancient Hittite religion, Anu is a former ruler of the gods, who was overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who bit off his father's genitals and gave birth to the storm god Teshub. Teshub overthrew Kumarbi, avenged Anu's mutilation, and became the new king of the gods. This story was the later basis for the castration of Ouranos in Hesiod's Theogony".

In this article, however, Halki is stated to be the Hittite equivalent to Kumarbi. Which page is incorrect? Was this god called Kumarbi or Halki in Hittite? Edit: On closer inspection, I notice that both Kumarbi and Halki are considered Hittite gods. Are they the same or two different gods? Oddeivind (talk) 13:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kumarbi is a Hurrian god incorporated into Hittite mythology, Halki is a Hittite grain deity who came to be associated with him via an interpretatio greca-like process but Kumarbi also figures in both Hittite rituals and in Hittite translations of Hurrian myths under own name. See A. Archi's article here for details. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 15:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The image[edit]

So, a few months ago I added a photo of a relief from Tell Halag to the article which wikimedia commons labels as Kumarbi/an "analogous" god.

However, closer examination would indicate the commons uploader, to put it lightly, is not very familiar with the matter. The description states: "He holds his sickle and his father's masculinity in his hands. See the Hittite versio Kingship in Heaven 8-41. (See also the Greek analogy in Derveni papyrus XIII,4 - and less wild by Hesiod, Theogonia 159-184.)" There is actually no reference to a sickle in the myth under discussion, Kumarbi uses no such a weapon and relies on his teeth instead (there is also no agreement that Anu was Kumarbi's father, I will update the article accordingly soon; the matter is already discussed in the Alalu and Anu articles). I presume someone got confused because a sickle appears as a weapon of Teshub in the Song of Ullikummi. The relief is also, to my knowledge, not brought up in any studies of Kumarbi I am familiar with - I'm not sure if there are actually any agreed upon depictions of him other than the one from Yazilikaya.

I believe in the light of this issue the image needs to be removed from this article, and probably even the reference to Kumarbi from its commons description needs to go. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 16:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]