Talk:Kristyan Ferrer

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IMPORTANT NOTE TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS[edit]

Now that the article has been referred to articles for deletion, I suggest posting your comments on the relevant page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kristyan_Ferrer I have reproduced most of the comments below to that page as well. Your comments there would help much more than here. So reserve your comments for now to the indicated page above rather than here. Once the article is reinstated without restrictions, we can reactivate discussions here. Meanwhile in case you can improve on the article itself, please do so. It will help quite a lot to include this talented actor in Wikipedia for future reference werldwayd (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting Speedy Deletion Tag of Kristyan Ferrer[edit]

Strong keep: I had adequately put note on my first ever edit of the Kristyan Ferrer page about notablity as follows: "Created page for the actor who had a majour role in "Sin Nombre" after countless roles in Mexican TV and in feature films". This note was completely dsregarded by coleague User:Mhking. Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion is "an article about a real person that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". But I did mention important notability... Wikipedia has allowed tens of articles of child actors from Mexico with far less achievements, yet they stay. Refer to child actors already featured: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_child_actors ... So why make Kristyan Ferrer probably equally deserving to be deleted on a rush comment put on a carefully drafted and properly referenced article? The note for deletion was put exactly one minute after my detailed page was published which was not adequate time to review content let alone notability. On a personal note, you should actually decide to attend the movie before assessing that this individual is not notable at all... To avoid deletion, I can mention these facts for notability:

Kristyan Ferrer has an IMDb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2946712/ that indicates he had a major role in a major movie entitled Sin Nombre (2009 film) directed by the US director Cary Joji Fukunaga, an award winning director at 2009 Sundance Film Festival for the film.
IMDb also mentions as well he had a role in Nick Lyon’s "Species: The Awakening" in 2007. This is an MGM movie with Frank Mancuso Jr. producing. Here is the IMDb page of Species: The Awakening clearly mentioning Kristyan Ferrer in 2007 role: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844894/ This role was included in the page to assert notability in an MGM production no less.
He is now being featured in yet another important director's project called Inhale directed by Baltasar Kormákur, an Icelandic director no less!!
His role is highlighted in many important articles. Take for example The "Chicago Tribune" film review. A newspaper renowned for its film reviews, it highlights names of three actors in the movie review in big All-capital letters as an intro: These are Paulina Gaitan, Edgar Flores and very significantly this actor Kristyan Ferrer. Refer to the "Chicago Tribune" article and prominent title mentioning Ferrer http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-sin-nombre-0401-0403apr03,0,2757047.story.
Roger Ebert in the rogerebert.com and in "Chicago Sun-Times" and mind you he is a critic of great impact doesn't mince his words about Smiley the character played by Kristyan Ferrer: "Smiley, so young, with a winning smile, is perhaps the most frightening character, because he demonstrates how powerful an effect, even hypnotic, gang culture can have on unshielded kids." Refer to Roger Ebert comments: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090401/REVIEWS/904019992/1023
The "Holywood Reporter" reviews Kristyan Ferrer's role in flying colours: "An extended opening sequence set in the southern Mexican city of Tapachula tracks young gangbanger Casper (Edgar Flores) as he introduces preteen recruit Smiley (Kristyan Ferrer) to the hardcore Mara Salvatrucha syndicate with an initiation beating ordered by jefe Lil' Mago (Tenoch Huerta Mejia). After Lil' Mago inadvertently kills Casper's girlfriend in a botched rape attempt, he decides to test Casper's loyalty at the Tapachula train yard, where Sayra has arrived with her family to hop a northbound freight. With Smiley in tow, the gangsters begin robbing the migrants precariously riding atop the train. When Lil' Mago tries to assault Sayra, Casper's repressed rage boils over, and he fatally attacks his boss with a machete. Throwing the body from the train, Casper unthinkingly sends Smiley (Kristyan Ferrer) back to the gang, a decision that soon has his former compatriots hard on his trail, with Smiley himself resolving to avenge Lil' Mago's murder. Refer to the article: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/film-review-sin-nombre-1003935238.story
The "Las Vegas Weekly" highlights the picture of Kristyan Ferrer on top of the movie review. Refere to: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2009/apr/23/sin-nombre/. The other charcter appearing is Gaitan. Again the paper mentions three actors in its highlighted "Details" of the movie: Flores, Gaitan and Kristyan Ferrer
AZ NightBuzz highlights the brutality of Kristyan Ferrer's role on the viewer: "It's one thing to watch older teens or grown men live through hyper-violent squalor, but the imagery hits harder when we see the atrocities through the eyes of Smiley (Kristian Ferrer), a boy who follows Casper, eager to do anything he can to please his sorry role models." Refer to http://www.aznightbuzz.com/stories/289718.php
It is obvious by now how majour titles assess the signifucance and notability of the role played by Kristyan Ferrer....
In addition, note that this is not a one-time occurence for notability. Kristyan Ferrer had the LEAD role in the Latino telefilm Milagros on TV Azteca as indicated in the article
In addition Kristyan Ferrer had roles in "Lo que callamos las mujeres", in "Puro loco", in "Qué buena onda", in "Ya cayó", in plays Rescate del Tiempo (role of Beto) and appearing in commercials not only in his native Mexico but also in the United States. In fact he has started in these in 2001 when he was just 6 and has been going on todate with this major role in Sin Nombre in 2009. So eight years and a very popular actor in his country to be entrusted such a major role in "Sin Nombre"
Plot of Sin Nombre (2009 film) indicates the key role of Kristyan Ferrer (nicknamed El Smiley in the movie). Here are excerpts from the plot: "El Casper (Edgar Flores) is a gang member initiating a young adolescent into the gang he follows. The latter is given the nickname "El Smiley" (Kristyan Ferrer) following a violent initiation... Lil' Mago brings Smiley (meaning Kristyan Ferrer) and Casper to La Bombilla, a location along the train tracks where immigrants stowaway on passing trains for travel to the United States... Lil' Mago, Casper, and Smiley rob the passengers for any money they have until Lil' Mago spots Sayra and attempts to rape her. El Casper, still grief-stricken kills Lil' Mago and urges Smiley off the train... Smiley goes back to the gang, telling what occurred. Furious, the gang leader accuses Smiley of "collusion". Smiley timidly protests, begging to be sent to kill Casper to prove his loyalty... Half way across the border, Smiley and the gang find Casper, and Smiley shoots him... This is the denouement finale, of the award winning movie.
Thus Ferrer, faced with a life-and-death decision at the end of the film, is the role that was entrusted to the long-established actor Kristyan Ferrer in this award winning movie "Sin Nombre" that got the Dramatic Directing Award (for director Cary Joji Fukunaga) and the Excellence in Cinematography Award: Dramatic (for Adriano Goldman) in the 2009 Sundance Film Festival, a film in which Kristyan Ferrer had a significant input from the opening scene of his brutal gang initiation he passes through, and appearance throughout until his act of murder of main character El Casper and his final initiation as a reward.
He would have been deserving a listing in Wikipedia on this single role had it not been to the so many roles (including lead roles) that he has played elsewhere making him a very popular actor and deserving of his own page in Wikpedia. Again I suggest watching the movie before suggesting blocking and speedy deletion of a very legitimate actor from Wikipedia werldwayd (talk) 05:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]