Talk:Kris Wu rape case/Archive 1

Too much legal details at this stage[edit]

I don't believe detailed citations of Chinese law is helpful or relevant at this stage with the investigations still ongoing. Coffee18_Cool please state which paragraphs I removed in revision 1035040091 should be included and why. Pending your response, I will redo my revision which included copyediting to correct grammatical mistakes and adhere to the encyclopedic tone per WP:PCR. Egawaryuki21 (talk) 09:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to reply to u so late. I'm a Chinese wiki. Our country is very strict with regard to sexual crimes. The incident caused an uproar in China. Whether the celebrity will enjoy special rights because of his nationality or influence is very important to everyone. Concerned about the issue, so I was at that stage to help everyone in En-wiki better understand the laws of the People’s Republic of China. Coffee18 Cool (talk) 02:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removing "related section", but keeping article[edit]

I believe that the scope of this article is much too broad. A greater discussion of *general* Chinese judicial actions against sexual misconduct would much better be covered in an article such as Rape in China, which covers sexual violence in the PRC. That said, there is precedent for having an article dedicated to a celebrity's sexual scandals (following police action against them). From some quick research, there are few pages which *only* cover sexual assault allegations. One is the Justin Lee sex scandal, of which there is no notability for the article's subject save for the sex crimes. Other pages which cover sexual assault allegations are those which, like this article, cover celebrities, such as Bill Cosby sexual assault cases, Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases and 1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson. It should be noted that the Bill Cosby article was made after official criminal charges were made against him. The article against Harvey Weinstein was made after official police investigations began.

TLDR: Keep article, but remove general information regarding Sexual violence in China.

Anyone else have thoughts - agree/disagree?

Kobentori (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The whole "Prior relevant laws" section is a WP:HATRACK and should be removed. If these laws do get cited in such charges, they can be linked to within the context of the investigation.21:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

The name of the article[edit]

Include other stuff going on with raping and women. You could talk about the MeToo movement more for example. But from my opinion just putting the name of the celebrity will cause more disgust and less will to get informed about the issue. Cover it with something else and people will find out and get more interested. It's good, the idea, but you should merge it with some other events. It's not just Kris, scandals in China/Korea/Japan between fans and celebrities are really popular. That would blow up. 2.199.88.184 (talk) 14:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's already other articles for that Me Too movement (China) and Me Too movement (South Korea) Evaders99 (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Age of consent in China is 14 years[edit]

The article is written as if the female subjects are in the state of New York in 2022.

Please see Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Mainland_China 2601:C4:C300:A210:918F:C3C3:F00B:8421 (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would improve clarity if we specified what is meant by underage. There is a huge difference between <18 and <14 ethically and legally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:26fc:e400:18e2:7787:c09:688d (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand correctly, although the legal age of consent in China is 14, women under 18 years old are considered "minors" (see https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58042353). As far as I know there were allegations his involvement with "minors" (the Malay Mail reports an allegations of two such minors in its article at https://malaymail.com/news/showbiz/2021/07/19/chinese-rapper-kris-wu-denies-accusations-he-raped-over-30-women-including/1991010), but not that he raped (or had sex with) girls under the age of consent. Is that correct? (I am just trying to understand the alleged facts, not expressing value judgments.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:22, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Du Meizhu apparently said she was 17 when she herself was assaulted. When the Malay Mail says "She accused him of sexually assaulting over 30 women, including two minors", does that mean two including herself, or three when including herself? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:34, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 November 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Kris Wu rape case. Per consensus. Early closure as requested. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 01:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kris Wu sex scandal → Kris Wu rape case – or Kris Wu rape allegations. The allegations involve rape, not just sex. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He was convicted of rape, so "allegations" does not seem like a good title here. 162 etc. (talk) 23:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed, "rape case"/"rape cases" seems commonly used across Wikipedia and I agree with 162 etc. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Request for rapid closure: I strongly suggest that this RM be closed quickly, as the rape conviction is a breaking story, and the current title is inaccurate and basically offensive. Referring to a rape case as a "sex scandal" trivializes the alleged action. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Liu[edit]

The infobox at the top of the article had a "Participants" entry that identified "Kris Wu, Liu^[a]" as participants (with the "[a]" referring to a footnote about the fact that Liu's given name was not provided). I don't think that makes much sense. There was no explanation of Liu's involvement as a "participant". I have therefore removed this from the infobox. Perhaps the article should contain some mention of Liu and what he did, but there was no explanation of that in the article, and Liu is not part of the main subject of the article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence[edit]

In that opening sentence saying the rape case is considered to be a manifestation of Xi Jinping's governance ideology. It's giving readers an impression that Kris Wu's individual actions had been caused by the government. But it shouldn't be implying here that Kris raping women are a result of some unrelated political ideology. Rape cases happens in every single country every year and ideology typically has nothing to do with it. So I removed it as it was just diluting the blame away from the individual. 103.210.125.52 (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]