Talk:Kongsi

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A "Hui", "Kongsi" or "Chinese clan"?[edit]

I was writting articles for Secret societies in Singapore when I discovered that there are conflicting definition of what these terms mean. The content in this article, for example, has content largely attributed by a Singaporean book I referenced from to the concept of Hui (会), a much brother term refering to brotherhood and kinship in Chinese culture, or to the Chinese clan (Huiguan), particular when it comes to societies linked by a common surname. Kongsi, on the other hand, is a term considered more attributed to Southeast Asian usage, and has been closely related to secret societies. Are the current content in the various pages verifiable?--Huaiwei 06:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible additions[edit]

Hello everyone,

In the coming weeks I hope to contribute a large chunk of information to this article. The idea would be to add information regarding the history of Kongsi, in particular its role during the San Francisco plague of 1900-1904. Please let know if you agree or disagree to my possible additions and I hope to hear some feedback during the following weeks.

Here are some of the references that I will be using:

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^ Risse, Guenter B. (2012). Plague, fear, and politics in San Francisco's Chinatown. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. ISBN 1421405105.
^ Chang, Iris (2003). The Chinese in America : a narrative history. New York: Viking. ISBN 0670031232.
^ Peng, Wang Tai (1994). The origins of Chinese kongsi (2. print. ed.). Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia: Pelanduk Publications. ISBN 9679784495.

Thank you! Ronyaguilar (talk) 21:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Additions and Modifications to Article[edit]

Hi All,

I'm also considering making some significant changes to this article. I think the article can be better organized by putting some of the information from the lead section into a separate section titled "History". Also, there is little mention of kongsi and its role in San Francisco, where it appeared to be an important part of society for Chinese immigrants during the late 1800s. Therefore, I intend to re-organize the article and create and expand on a "History" section, which will include information about the impact of kongsi in the development of the San Francisco Chinatown community. I will be in collaboration with Ronyaguilar to develop an accurate history of kongsi in San Francisco. My preliminary sources are below. These will be updated as I conduct further research on the subject:

Sue Fawn, Chung (2011). In pursuit of gold : Chinese American miners and merchants in the American West. Urbana: University of Illinois Press. ISBN 9780252036286. OCLC 754326469.
W., Chinn, Thomas (1989). Bridging the Pacific = [Chʻiao kʻua Tʻai-pʻing yang] : San Francisco Chinatown and its people. Chinese Historical Society of America. San Francisco: Chinese Historical Society of America. ISBN 9780961419837. OCLC 19389751.
Chang, Iris (2003). The Chinese in America : a narrative history. New York: Viking. ISBN 0670031232. OCLC 51242079.
Risse, Guenter B. (2012). Plague, fear, and politics in San Francisco's Chinatown. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. ISBN 9781421405100. OCLC 809317536.

Any comments or feedback is appreciated.

Thanks, Mtong14 (talk) 23:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My working draft of potential edits to this article can be found on my sandbox User:Mtong14/plague kongsi draft. As always, any comments are welcome.

Thanks, Mtong14 (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This edit has been cancelled for reasons specified in the section "Upcoming changes to the article". Because Kongsi seems to have more to do with Southeast Asia and little to do with the San Francisco plague era, we are planning on removing information that does not appropriately reflect this relationship.

Mtong14 (talk) 23:56, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Modifying the article on my talk sandbox[edit]

Hello again everyone,

I recently mentioned some additions I would be making to this article. I will be working along side Marcus Tong to develop this article extensively within the next couple of weeks. I will copy and past the article into my sandbox and I will be working on it from there. If you want to know how its going, make suggestions or want to add something to the article please let me know on my sandbox.

Thank you, Ronyaguilar (talk) 02:04, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming changes to the article[edit]

Hello everyone,

After further analysis of the subject and countless hours of research me and @Mtong14 have come to the conclusion that this article needs deletions to it rather than additions. The reason for this change is because we have realized that the term Kongsi in this particular article has different meanings and in reality it is only a term previously used in southeast Asia. Therefore we need to separate this article from what it is currently linked to in hopes of clearing up much of the misunderstandings provided here. Please let me or @Mtong14 know if you disagree with any of the changes we will be making.

Thank you all. Ronyaguilar (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Final changes to the article[edit]

Hello everyone,

I have added part of the final draft of the Kongsi article up that Mtong14 and I have been working on. We have added a variety of changes to the article in hopes of clarifying some of the conflicting terminology that is used or associated with the term Kongsi. Specifically, Kongsi does not appear to be directly related to Chinese-American organizations, but rather to Southeast Asian organizations. We wanted to remove most if not all of the information that linked the word Kongsi to another such term that was incorrectly used or linked to it at the time. We have done this by removing the main articles pictures and changing it for something much more relevant. We also deleted the three pictures that were linked to the section titled "Functions of the Kongsi". We also cleaned up the sections and added removed conflicting information. We have removed all of the external links and replaced them with relevant links associated to Kongsi. We also removed some items from the See Also section and verified and updated references to articles or books to match the current citation style. We also added a section titled "Southeast Asia", which we believe is particularly important since it demonstrates that the term Kongsi was mainly used in that area and is different than other similar terms used now. Finally we removed the citations sections since it was redundant to use both that and the references sections for the same purpose. I hope that anyone that reads this can now how a better understanding of the term Kongsi in a way that does not conflict with other terms used and in particular we hope to show the roots that the term Kongsi had in Southeast Asia. Please do let us know if there is any information that you oppose we would love to hear your thoughts.

Thank you and enjoy the reading.

Ronyaguilar (talk) 18:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mtong14 (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Risse, Guenter B. (2012). Plague, fear, and politics in San Francisco's Chinatown. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. ISBN 1421405105.

[2] Chang, Iris (2003). The Chinese in America : a narrative history. New York: Viking. ISBN 0670031232.

[3] Peng, Wang Tai (1994). The origins of Chinese kongsi (2. print. ed.). Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia: Pelanduk Publications. ISBN 9679784495.

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