Talk:Killdeer

Main Picture

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I am still learning how to edit and will try and update the main picture in a bit. Just wanted to let the team know about the issue. VarietyCichlid (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

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I am totally a fan of dividing a page into sections, and the article needs that. Also, with the killdeers diet; is it purely insects, or arthropods, or invertebrates in general? Cynops 14:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Since they are short-billed and hunt in dry habitats by sight, you would assume that insects formed the bulk of their diet, but Shorebirds gives no food info. jimfbleak 15:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Injury-feigning display picture

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• http://www.flickr.com/photos/junkchest/46530915/ (Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic)

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Returning to nesting grounds

Would an ornithologist happen to know whether these birds return to their original nesting grounds after migration? I have seen a 'family' of killdeer return to a relatively small plot of land for generations, and wonder if this is truly indicative of the species, or if I am simply seeing completely different, unrelated families, and it is all coincidental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.72.8 (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

How long is the gestation period after the eggs are laid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.228.107.222 (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Nesting Section

the incubation period is about 22-28 days The nesting section was copied and pasted from the website it cited. I'm working on rephrasing, expanding, and adding more references to the section. It may take several edits. Altamel (talk) 00:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Do killdeers also dive-bomb potential predators?

Do these also dive-bomb potential predators to distract them away from nests, or do only swallows do that? DMahalko (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

In my experience, no. Get too close and they'll squawk at you. Get too too close and they'll run and do their distraction routine. NTox · talk 19:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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Railroad Ballast and Eggs

Has any study been done? In my work experience they routinely lay their eggs alongside railroad tracks in South Eastern Louisiana in a brilliant display of camoflauge — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.218.37 (talk) 23:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: I'll have a go at this informative article. Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 13:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Comments

• Maybe say right up front in Habitat and distribution that the species is partly migratory, and wikilink Bird migration.

Done. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 22:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• "Both sexes (although the former more often than the latter) advertise in flight with loud "killdeer" calls." Needs a rewrite as there aren't any formers and latters.

Fixed. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 22:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• I'd suggest adding a 'further' link to Antipredator adaptation at the head of the 'Responses to predators' section, and link it in the lead. That might also be a better name for the section, actually.

I'll link anti-predator adaptation in the lead, and then have the further link in the body be "distraction display", as this more accurately describes what the killdeer does. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 22:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks.

• Suggest wikilink (lead and body) Foraging, Predator (or Predation), Distraction display. This last could be a 'further' link if you wanted as it's a major feature.

Done. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 22:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• "The day after the precocial (starting to walk in the first few days of its life) young hatch,..." Suggest "The young are precocial, starting to walk .... The day after hatching, they are led ..."

Done. Thank you for that fix; I was a bit unsure about how I worded it, and your's is much better. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• "One parent ... They are also brooded." Needs minor rewrite, it's the chicks not the parents that are brooded...

Reworded. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• "does almost all of the defense". Could be better worded.

I don't see an alternative; "most" wouldn't work, because that just means over 50%, whereas "almost all" would mean something over 90% or so. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

It'd be a terrible phrase over here in England, but it obviously sounds fine to an American speaker, so let's leave it.

• In Feeding, you might wikilink tree frog and minnow, perhaps other prey. You might want to find a link target for "disseminules", not a common term.

Done. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• In the image caption, why does the reader need to know this chick is in New Jersey, that female is in Pennsylvania? Unless there's special ecology there, it seems extraneous.

Because the United States is a big place, and so ecology varies widely across the country. Thus, I feel that it is appropriate to note the state, just like the country is noted in the picture showing the subspecies C. v. ternominatus. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I think you're overdoing the big place thing, but hey.

• I will note in passing that most of the refs are primary, though it seems that many of these are being used for more general (secondary) facts in their introductory sections. You might want to introduce some more good-quality secondary sources such as review articles or textbooks (e.g. Stanley Cramp, The Birds of the Western Palearctic, volume 3, RSPB/OUP, 1983, pages 143-146, for instance), especially if you're thinking of going on to FAC.

That's about it from me. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

TFAR

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Killdeer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Spelling

I see the matter of spelling was brought up in the FAR but not addressed properly. Better late than never. The article used to be written in American English, so WP:RETAIN is applicable. The subject also is predominantly associated with the US rather than any other English-speaking country. So why would it be in British English? Frustrating that we have these quality control processes which then aren't used properly. --MarchOrDie (talk) 06:33, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Nest temperature

Under Breeding, the 2-6 degree C nest cooling factor is converted to F with +32 included; it should not be. The F range should be 3.6-10.8 (or rounded). Brian wessels (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC). Someone used an absolute temperature conversion not differential temperature. Its best rounded to 4 to 11F.

I added the template using C-change, which correctly converts temperature differences.IAmNitpicking (talk) 13:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations to all the editors who helped this article get to featured status. I personally loved killdeers as a child and caught and relased a few little ones (adorable) and then gave them back to their mom. Great article. Best Regards, Barbara ✐✉ 21:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Accurate Description?

The article says, "Its upperparts are mostly brown with rufous fringes", but how accurate is that really? I think a good amount of Killdeer lack the rufous edging and instead have plain brown feathers. It seems that southern individuals of the Killdeer are more likely to have rufous coverts, whereas Northern individuals tend to have plainer brown feathers. Is that something that should be mentioned? Aythya affinis (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)