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"first Asian-American woman"?[edit]

The source does say this, but it seems like an error, since she's the first Asian-American, period, to play a leading role in a Star Wars film. Donnie Yen is not American, and he was not really in a leading role in Rogue One anyway, but it seems like unless it was just a slip, that is what was being referred to. Can a source not be found that describes her as the first Asian-American to play a leading role in a Star Wars film? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Change 'Loan Tran (born January 17, 1989)' to 'Trần Loan (born January 17, 1989)'

Change 'Kelly Marie Tran, is an American actress.' to 'Kelly Marie Tran, is an Vietnamese-American actress. DanielHBarker (talk) 21:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently reads "Trần Loan (born January 17, 1989)". With regards to "Vietnamese-American", per WP:ETHNICITY we don't usually list ethnicities in the lede section. NiciVampireHeart 10:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tran Loan?[edit]

Why was her name identified as Trần Loan? She was clearly born Kelly Marie Tran, as evidenced by her California birth registry. If her parents wanted to name her Loan, they could have. She was born in the USA so her first name and then last name are used, not the reverse. If she legally changed her name to Trần Loan, then she should not be listed in the infobox as being "born Trần Loan" complete with diacritic. This makes no sense, especially since there is no reference supplied anywhere for this other name. Even the Vietnamese-language articles refer to her as "Kelly Marie Trần", not Trần Loan. I undid this. If someone can provide a well-sourced explanation as to why her real legal name is Trần Loan, then please do. —Мандичка^YO 😜 04:42, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: Since our policy on biographies of living persons clearly says "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth", do you have a reliable secondary source that confirms DOB and birth name? If not, then we should go with the professional name, and remove the date of birth (per WP:DOB and WP:BLPPRIMARY). Note that in the cited New York Times source, the subject says "My real name is Loan", so that's probably where that claim came from. Indignant Flamingo (talk) 23:46, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Indignant Flamingo: I've seen nothing that confirms Loan is her legal name - clearly her name is Kelly Marie. Her birthdate is confirmed here in AP article and in other "born on this day" articles. She might mean her "real" name as in what her parents call her or her Vietnamese name. She could have legally had it changed to Loan, but there's no information that supports that and that seems strange she wouldn't be known as Loan. (Why go to the effort of changing your legal name if you don't actually plan to use it?) —Мандичка^YO 😜 00:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: I agree that "Kelly Marie Tran" is the right name for the article, and since we already have a bunch of sources that use that name, there's no reason to violate WP:BLPPRIMARY by citing birth records. I also agree that the subject saying "My real name is Loan" is not evidence of a legal name or status. I do see how someone could have a different interpretation of that statement, but for our purposes that single ambiguous utterance by the subject does not outweigh the overwhelming use of "Kelly Marie Tran" by reliable secondary sources, so under our policies and guidelines we should 1) use "Kelly Marie Tran", 2) cite DOB to the AP article, 3) remove California Birth Index from the article per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Sound good? Indignant Flamingo (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, sounds fine. —Мандичка^YO 😜 00:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since someone added this to the lead again... I couldn't find any particularly good WP:RSes supporting this. There's a few wikis and fansites that mention it, but nothing definite. Maybe someone else can find something better, but until then it shouldn't go in the article. --Aquillion (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Claimed to be "the first woman of color to have a leading role in a Star Wars movie"[edit]

Lupita Nyong'o portrays Maz Kanata in The Force Awakens. Is Rose Tico considered a leading role but Maz Kanata is not? I suggest that an explanatory footnote be added here. —⁠71.105.198.152 (talk) 06:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]