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Not adding this yet because I haven't found a good non-firsthand source, but it should probably be mentioned that KGI's founding was highly controversial, especially amongst the existing Claremont Colleges. The major complaint is that the institute does not grant tenure, which prompted a formal protest from the associated faculty of the other Colleges. The main worry, especially combined with the startup formed to commercialize the Institute's output, is that professors, without the security of tenure, will basically be hired researchers expected to use grad students as low-cost commercial labor for the biotech firm. Another more minor series of protests involved the proposed location of the Institute on the land previously set aside as the "Bernard Field Station" (basically a "nature preserve" of sorts on typical Inland Empire scrubland). --Delirium 15:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I went ahead and added a short section summarizing some of that. There are a number of articles in Pomona's The Student Life newspaper in their archives; I referenced one. There are also probably some articles in local Claremont and Pomona city papers, but I can't find any online (although I've only looked briefly). --Delirium 18:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
The "opposition" section for such a small article casts undue negativity on this school. I removed it per discussion. I also scarecely believe that the "opinion" section of a school newspaper qualifies as an encyclopedic reference. Charltonasmith 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)--charltonasmith
Per what discussion? Your post is the first one on this page arguing for removal. The opposition was not just some editorialist; as that article notes, it went before the city council and was opposed by the school's faculty senate. Perhaps the section should be shortened or reworked, but leaving out the fact that the school's establishment was opposed by the faculty of the other Claremont Colleges, and was a major issue in local politics for 2+ years makes for a bizarrely ahistorical article. FWIW, I don't personally care about Keck much either way, I just think the article as currently written is woefully incomplete and almost hagiographic. --Delirium 00:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I've added a shorter section citing the Los Angeles Times instead of the Pomona student newspaper. There were a number of articles in the Claremont Courier as well, but I don't have electronic access to their archives, and am too lazy at the moment to trek over to a library that has such holdings. Rather than a separate "past opposition" section, though, this should really be folded into a better "history" section. --Delirium 00:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough - my major concern with the "past opposition" section is that since there is so little about the school right now, devoting such a disproportionate amount of detail to a negative aspect of the school reduces the wikipedia entry to be close to slander (although I am confident that is not your intent). I am not specifically referring to the land dispute, but instead to the Pomona article that dwells mostly with citing recombinant DNA technology as the devil (which is a view held by a small minority now-a-days) - it makes for a poor citation. If the "past opposition" was combined into a better history section, I would find that far more acceptable - the issue was settled in the end, and no where is it mentioned that the school is set up in a way that tenure is not like it is in many undergrad institutions. I also feel for your view that the article is "hagiographic", but I don't think the proper way to correct it is by making a criticism section when there really need not be one. You don't see on other schools Wikipedia entries people complaining about a certain policy that they don't like, (unless it is in a news section where it is a contemporary event) - and I don't see why there should be any difference here. (I personally do have a connection to KGI and would prefer it if a 3rd party could be the one updating this section- however, no one has so I felt like I should step in myself)Charltonasmith 17:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)charltonasmith

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This is just boiler plate copy from the actual school site, it is not what Wikipedia is really for.--MattyMetalFan (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@MattyMetalFan: I've tagged the article for investigation based on URLs I was able to identify. Could you be more specific as to which passages are copy and from where? Thanks! Regards, James (talk/contribs) 21:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Where can I read the original copy? When I looked at the previous entry I just cut and pasted some copy in Google and it showed results. I don't think the author is familiar with the guidelines.--MattyMetalFan (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
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