Talk:Kanako Momota

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To whom it may concern. Copied from User talk:Shintaro Mori#Kanako Momota].

Hi! Are you the IP who added the section "Personal"? You see, most of the stuff you added (like [1] and [2]) is too vague and unencyclopedic and generally regarded not suitable for an English Wikipedia article. Like, I'm bad at reading kanji too, and just saying "bad" is not very meaningful. The same goes for the whole "As she thinks about her strengths, she is cheerful and competitive. As weaknesses, she is slow in action, often feels bothered to do something, and often fails to listen to others."

You see, I want to nominate the Kanako article to appear on the front page of the English Wikipedia in the "Do you know" section... In order for the Kanako article to pass a review and be approved for appearing on the front page, I will have to delete or at least shorten and rewrite most of what you added... Cause otherwise people may say the article is too badly written and too unencyclopedic for the front page...

By the way, are you reasonably good at English? I need your help. I need a funny fact about Kanako to use for DYK.

Look at the front page of the English Wikipedia. There is a section called "Did you know..." and there are some funny facts. The more stupid a fact is, the more clicks will the article get. I need something completely crazy. But the fact needs to be mentioned in a reliable source (a newspaper or a big news provider or a big website, not a blog and not a fan site.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

End of quote. --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Desperation[edit]

An aidoru often jumps. One time, she falls on her ass. She wasn't hurt. Good, I'm glad that she wasn't hurt. The aidoru once appeared on Tamori Club. Well, yes, don't they all?

This article seems desperate.

I'll confess that I don't know what constitutes real notability among aidoru, but I'd guess it's elsewhere.

(One thing I do like in this article: that we're told that the replacement of one aidoru by another was because the first one seemed too intelligent.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[[Category:]][reply]

  • [excerpt cross posted from my talk page] Fans who leave cruft in these articles do indeed make WP look bad, but more importantly it makes the subject of these articles look stupid in the eyes of anyone who reads the article. Just one look at the Momota hook/article will see how depths can be plunged. Her crash-landing isn't zany or interesting. Shit happens. Just because something has wide media coverage doesn't mean it deserves an article, or space in an article. (original post dated 12:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC))
    • I continue to be baffled by the edits of User:Moscow Connection, in particular "these simplifications only interfere with the ongoing expansion of the article", which is obviously directed at my decrufting the article.
    • " her coach told her that her dance skills were insufficient and in order to improve" was removed because of its self-evidence – any kid at any age, if they want to dance, will want to take lessons to broaden and deepen their skill set. We should keep the text focussed and to the point. It matters not if it was her, or her mother, or her coach said it.
    • "Other students at the dance school sometimes auditioned for the entertainment industry, a common topic of conversation among parents." is cumbersome. "A common topic of conversation among parents was auditioning for the entertainment industry" says it all with further bytes the fact that it was at the dance school can be taken as read.
    • "and bought an issue of the audition magazine De View, where came across an advertisement announcing an open audition for the Stardust Promotion talent agency. They applied" is, again, cumbersome. The name of the magazine is without consequence – we mention that she responded to an advertisement, fair enough, but even that's not all that important. Putting it into passive voice gets rid of the buying of some inconsequential magazine <yawn> and reading the advertisement <yawn again>. I think "They applied to an advertisement announcing open auditions for the Stardust Promotion" captures the essence. Well, I guess one sad indictment of the idol culture is that there are such "audition magazines".
How do my efforts get in the way of expansion? Scrape the barrel any more, and you have a big hole. -- Ohc ¡digame! 09:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Please stop interfering with the expansion of the article. The article was tagged as {{in use}}. It was impolite to remove the tag and insist of your version that is going to be changed anyway.
The edit summary ("removed fancruft – what 7 year old dances perfectly????????????????????????") doesn't make much sense. I will have to change it back again, but I will rewrite it so that you stopped misinterpreting. She didn't want to just dance. 1. She was a rhythmic gymnast. Dance classes are necessary for rhythmic gymnastics. The parts you removed just explain that she was doing sports and never intended to enter the entertainment world. 2. She wasn't seven.
I will read everything else you wrote later. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ohconficius, could you please do other things other than interfering here for a day or two? --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, I did say I would try giving you some space. But "have itch, gotta scratch", as they say... Try making me itch less, and I'll try harder at my end. ;-) -- Ohc ¡digame! 10:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moscow Connection, calm down and just try to make the article better. --Anosola (talk) 15:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Help me then. Find more sources, more thing to add. what I can think of now is:
    1. She is the "immovable canter". Any thorough explanation of the term I can add?
    2. She has two brothers and a yorkishire terrier (and some more dogs, according to the Japanese Wikipedia). Any additional details that would make the info encyclopedic and important?
    3. She was the center in "Nanairo no Stardust". I want to add the info, but I'm struggling with how to put it down.
    4. Something about the fact that when she was signed to Stardust, she started living in Tokyo. It is kind of obvious cause it is impossible to attend classes at Stardust every day if you live in Shizuoka prefecture. At least, the article should say something about Tokyo, like "she attended acting classes in Tokyo". Or that Stardust's headquarters are located in Tokyo.
    5. Something about her "solo" work (outside the group, in commercials, on TV).
  • And I need more. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • We have the right section heading for this. Scrape, scrape, scrape some more. She has a yorkshire terrier? please give me a break. Unless she is also a dog-breeder or there's some controversy or juicy scandal involving her dogs, nothing is going to make her dog encyclopedic. You're close to earning yourself the title of "Wiki-king of Fancruft."-- Ohc ¡digame! 23:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

General commentary (ejected from DYK nom)[edit]

  • "Momota 'IS' ranked 12th…" > that was June 2013 = WAS.
  • "As of 2013 still lived near … Station…" > that was 2013; already old info, people move; &where this girl lives is surely unnecessary 'fancruft' here.
  • Source #7 is a magazine cover, & i've already noted how moscows credibility is equal to a meth head in the park; currently still TWO sentences attributed to that m'zine cover.
  • "audition": clunky, amatueristic & too-much-info but i'll OK that much.
  • "collaboration": > "Ninagawa photographed her again for Mgirl m'zine in Fall 2012 and Spring 2013." collaboration is misleading/inflating; 'Mgirl' named twice is repetitive.
  • "succeeded… as 'sub host'…" > factually insufficient: anyone who's ever seen that show would know there're TWO 'subhosts' (again, inflating importance… all these Japan variety 'subhosts' change regularly).
  • "first person on front/back cover" is that writer saying thats the first time HE'D ever NOTICED someone on the front/back cover; if its such a big deal i'd think Quickjapan would've noted it themselves = inflate.
  • "long" interview > LENGTHY interview i believe the correct way; English isn't even my first language but i have to point these out?
  • "rear end" > if wikipedia 'sends this to press' i'll have lost all respect for encyclopedic content.
  • "caused a stir… widely reported" > by professional bloggists who also merely wrote out text of supposed twitter reactions; reliable sources at least insert the actual tweets; 'widely reported' by bloggers-on-payroll-of-fan-sites = gossip.
  • two filmography credits show no proof: Shokora; Sekai Fushigi.
  • Crisco: the reason the articles been stable for days is because I've noted the problems but moscow in all stubbornness is holding his breath in refusal, as usual (& see below).
  • moscow: theres a reason why i might 'want to kill' this: your actions & comments killed your own credibility, & you provided cr%p. IMHO.
  • Orlady & Ohc: theres been a Japanese editor participating here for the past month but i guess maybe my English has everyone confused (thanks?) 日本人です。 unfortunately moscow is a brat, has reverted two versions i would've been willing to pass, & just generally seems to prefer accusing me instead of actually gaining my trust for the future. & if saying 'cr%p' & 'brat' affects my standing here so be it, but SOMEbody has to say it! 99.9% of us are adults.
  • BlueMoonset: truly sorry to tie up your DYK line!
  • Victuallers: Thank You. Japanglish (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    1. I have changed "is ranked 12th" to "was ranked 12th". 3. Where her family lives is just an additional detail. I don't see why not to include it. The article used as a source is new enough to presume nothing has changed. I wrote "as of 2013" instead of "currently" because it is advised to use exact dates in Wikipedia articles. 2. I repeat, the source is the issue itself, not the cover. (I have read it myself.) 3. I have changed "collaborate with" to "appear as a model". I have deleted the repetition of the magazine's name. 4. I have changed "long interview" to "lengthy interview". 5. I am very sorry if the words "rear end" sound childish, but I don't know how to say it differently. The part about "caused a stir… widely reported" just repeats what the source says. I hope it can be fixed at a later date. Especially since you and Ohconfucius have expressed the desire to continue improving the article. Let's discuss it on the article's talk page. (Ohconfucius even wants to make it a GA, see above.) 5. I have added a reliable source for one of the two unsourced filmography credits and decided to delete the other one for now (cause it is not mentioned in Momota's timeline on Oricon, so it might be unimportant.)
    These are minor changes and minor stuff, so I believe the article is still stable and hasn't changed since it was approved earlier today (on February 18). I tried to be as concise as possible in my reply so not to prolong this discussion. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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