Talk:Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle

Title

This article should be re-named Jumanji 2. Even though it's not the confirmed title, if it is the sequel to the 1995 film, then it should not have the same title as the original. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cineplex (talk • contribs) 20:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

We simlpy don't know yet, thus this is the best we can do, these days it is quite common to use the exact same name for a reimagination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.9.75 (talk) 14:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Jack Black's character

It states in the article that Jack Black, a guy, plays a professor called Bethany who was an it girl. I've changed it a couple of times but people keep changing it back. What am I missing! Cls14 (talk) 08:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cls14 watch the film! 90.249.6.186 (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The trailer

The trailer has been confirmed for release with spider Man homecoming the rock confirmed it on his Twitter account Jstar367 (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Vintage video game?

Why a vintage video game? What happened to the old board game? Because that would've made shivers run up people's spines. Michael May II (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

1. Because its modernizing the story for 2017 2. Its a soft reboot Jstar367 (talk) 03:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Characters last names and antagonist name

Are the last names confirmed? Jstar367 (talk) 01:01, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2017

PLEASE OPEN THIS PAGE Momokenak (talk) 17:05, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: This page was protected by SarekOfVulcan earlier today due to persistent vandalism. You can either formulate a request to change whatever you would like to change here as the instructions for this request template instruct or you can ask SarekOfVulcan at their talk page to lift protection. Shouting about it here will accomplish neither. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Frank Parrish?

Where was he in the movie and is Logan lerman in the movie????? Is it even confirmed??? Jstar367 (talk) 02:35, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Character names per credits and accuracy

In the ending credits of the film, Dwayne Johnson, Kevin Hart, Jack Black, Karen Gillan, and Nick Jonas are credited as their human players, not the video game avatars. The human players are who they truly play in the film and they're referred to as the human players, not the avatars in the plot section. The reason given for stating they portray the video game avatars in the cast section is "It's (stating they portray the human players) not quite as helpful as it should be. Actors may play the same character, but the roles must be easy to distinguish for viewers of general interest. This arrangement put in before reversion causes problems". However, this arrangement does make it easy to distinguish the roles for viewers of general interest. The descriptions distinguish Johnson, Hart, Black, Gillan, and Jonas as playing the characters as their avatars and the other actors as playing them in the real world. Furthermore, separating them creates the problem of being inaccurate. It is more accurate to state that these five portray the human players because again, that is who they truly do portray. Bluerules (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the cast should be separated into "main cast" and "supporting cast" - it's a film, not a TV series, and this separation is arbitrary and misleading. I think we should go even further, back to the older version where the real-world actors were listed as sub-bullets. There's plenty of precedent for something like this, e.g. characters portrayed at multiple ages. This version, for one, has that ordering. (EDIT: actually, I just looked more carefully at that version, and it's not ideal - the main and sub bullets should be swapped, since Johnson et al. are the stars, not the younger actors. I still support the structure there, just not the ordering choice.) --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree that there should not be a "main cast" and "supporting cast" separation, which I removed in my edit. I changed the format to reflect what is more commonly used in film articles; placing the minor characters in a paragraph underneath the main cast list. I'm not opposed to listing the real-world actors as sub-bullets either, although I maintain that Johnson, Hart, Black, Gillan, and Jonas should be stated as portraying the human players on first reference. While they physically embody the avatars, the players are who they actually portray, which is reflected in the plot section and perhaps most importantly, the ending credits. The current cast section is an improvement over the previous revision, but I believe there are further improvements that could be made. Bluerules (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree (for the most part) that Johnson et al. should be listed first as playing their real-world characters, and that's how they're credited, but wording is tricky, and potentially confusing. Here are some attempts:

Previous

• Dwayne Johnson as Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone: An avatar in Jumanji, used by Spencer Gilpin. The character's background is a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer with no weakness, and the leader of his team.

Current (my edit)

• Dwayne Johnson as Spencer Gilpin's avatar, Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone. Bravestone is a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer with no weakness, and the leader of his team, while Gilpin is intelligent but lacks confidence.
  • Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin in the real world

My edit with minor change

• Dwayne Johnson as Spencer Gilpin in the Jumanji world. Gilpin's avatar, Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone, is a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer with no weakness, and the leader of his team, while Gilpin is intelligent but lacks confidence.
  • Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin in the real world

Thoughts? Other ideas? I actually like the last one better now that I think about it. The middle one at least mentions the real-world character first, even if it's slightly tangentially. --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I have two suggestions. The first is my previous edit, which did not feature sub-bullets and instead put both actors in the same bullet. This was the approach used for X-Men: Days of Future Past (which incidentally, I just saw playing on television) where James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart both played Professor X and Michael Fassbender and Ian McKellen both played Magneto:

• Dwayne Johnson and Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin: An intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student. Johnson portrays Spencer as his avatar, Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone, and Wolff portrays Spencer in the real world.

My other suggestion would be to keep the sub-bullets for the real world actors and use this wording:

• Dwayne Johnson as Spencer Gilpin: An intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student. He is transformed by Jumanji into Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone, a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer.
  • Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin in the real world

Let me know if you have preference between these two suggestions and I'll tweak the other cast members accordingly. If you believe your third suggestion is a more viable option, I believe it could also work with some tweaks, combining both of our suggestions. Bluerules (talk) 19:10, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't particularly like the X-Men solution. The fact that both actors' names need to be mentioned a second time to clarify who plays which aspect of the character is a little awkward. The sub-bullet fixes this. However, in removing the "<character>'s avatar" or "in the Jumanji world" text from my examples, you removed a pretty simple, elegant way of describing right up front that Johnson's role in the film is Spencer-as-Bravestone, not real-world Spencer. It clarifies without adding a lot of extra wording. I also think mentioning Bravestone as early as possible in the line serves readers better as well, as that's the "character" in the film Johnson portrays visually, if not otherwise at first, and so is more identifiable. What is it about my examples that doesn't work for you? --Fru1tbat (talk) 20:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not particularly sure that merging actors for the same character (i.e. Spencer Gilpin) is something that could be done in this article. The fact is that when you use a sub-bullet for a main cast, it usually should be for when a character has two different instances portrayed by different actors, or an actor portrays two different characters. While you could say that Dwayne Johnson and Alex Wolff are credited as playing two different versions of the character, per film credits, the problem is that you couldn't define the characters as Spencer Gilpin for both actors - there has to be a clear definition between the pair. So... it might be more prudent to say that Johnson portrays Spencer, per film credits, operating in Jumanji as the avatar Dr. Bravestone, but create a separate bullet to define Wolff as the Young Spencer Gilpin, per the film credits again, with the character's traits for this billing (not Johnson's). GUtt01 (talk) 08:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying a different version, which separates actors to their role as a character, with the ones for each respective character (i.e. Spencer Gilpin), defined as the character they played and what the film defined them in its credits as, within "(...)". GUtt01 (talk) 08:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that version is an improvement at all - the "Johnson as Bravestone (credited as Spencer)" is particularly awkward. Johnson plays Spencer (as Bravestone), and Wolff plays Spencer (in the real world). The sub-bullets, per either my solution or Bluerules above, is perfectly reasonable and unambiguous. And I realize that in general we should name roles as they're credited, but this is a film that doesn't really work well with that guideline - it's too complex, and some editorial discretion needs to be applied. --Fru1tbat (talk) 14:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

With respect, that guideline can work, but using sub-bullets should only be reserved for highlighting an actor who is cast in a second role in the film, or for identifying a second actor as a different instance of the character. But in this film, Johnson and Wolff play entirely different characters, and that must be clarified for viewers as best as possible. May I point out that in the sequel The Next Level, Johnson's character is used by more than one real-world character in the film, and thus while the credits should be made clear about this, it would raise confusion if someone is looking between both this film and its sequel and saw such an arrangement. Roles in film should be clear and easy to understand for any viewer of general interest. GUtt01 (talk) 16:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Your position that they play "entirely" different characters is difficult for me to understand, unless you're referring to just the visual/physical aspect, but that ignores much of the film's treatment of the character and Johnson's portrayal (and even your version notes that Johnson is credited as "Spencer" - you seem intent on separating them on one hand yet combining them on the other). The sequel can be handled however is appropriate for the sequel - in this film, there is a one-to-one correspondence between human and avatar, and I still think the main bullet/sub-bullet method is the clearest, most elegant, and most descriptive solution. If the sub-bullets are a major sticking point, I'd compromise on separating the real-world actors to later in the list, but the descriptions for the in-game characters need to be rewritten. --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Fru1tbat that the current wording as awkward, as well as redundant. Johnson is credited as Spencer because he's actually playing Spencer. Johnson and Wolff do not play entirely different characters - they both play Spencer. This is reflected in the credits and in the plot section. Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone is not a separate character, but an alter-ego of Spencer. To separate them in the cast section is inaccurate and can give readers the wrong impression that they are not the same individual. The sub-bullets (or alternatively, listing them on the same bullet) clarifies to readers that Johnson and Wolff play the same character and the descriptions that follow specify that Johnson plays Spencer in the video game and Wolff plays him in the real world. The Next Level is not relevant to this article because we are not discussing the article for The Next Level, we are discussing this article, the article for Welcome to the Jungle. Fru1tbat and I are in agreement that sub-bullets are better option for the cast section than what is currently being used and per consensus, we should use the sub-bullets for the time being until we find a format that we all agree upon. Bluerules (talk) 18:20, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

When we're writing descriptions for the characters, the description should immediately refer to the character in question. Although we do want to mention Smolder as soon as possible, the priority of the description is still on Spencer because he's the character being described. Once Spencer is established to the reader, we can then explain that he takes on the alter ego of Smolder in the video game and how the two contrast.

I believe we should try to avoid additional identifiers when we first reference a character's name in the cast section, but I also understand removing the identifiers could cause confusion. Perhaps the best solution would be simply to use a hyphen separating the actual character and his alter ego in the same line. It would read something like this:

• Dwayne Johnson as Spencer Gilpin / Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone: An intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student. In Jumanji, he is tranformed into a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer.
  • Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin in the real world.

Bluerules (talk) 18:20, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

I can live with that wording/structure as a reasonable compromise. --Fru1tbat (talk) 19:00, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I'll start working on this format. Bluerules (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

But there is a significant problem here. The fact is that the credits for Welcome to the Jungle and The Next Level have two clear differences in what the actors in both are credited as for their role in each respective film. While the characters within the game refer to the actor by the name of the character he is associated with, the problem here is that when a character has two different instances, they primarily are often a character at two different chronological points in their fictional timeline (i.e. Young and Adult). In this film, Johnson is portraying an avatar that the character becomes, not the character as such per the script of the film that the writers created - he merely exhibits factors such as how that person would speak and might behave, but is not in reality that character. That is most certainly the case in The Next Level, because in that film the actor has to portray characteristics of characters who become the avatar (i.e. Johnson for example, in the film, would portray an asepct of Spencer's grandfather's age by speaking like him and his reaction to being in a body much younger and stronger than he is in reality). Although we should make clear to viewers that the name for the character is what the film used, but not how they were credited - thus making a clear difference - the character should be identified as a separate entity, not an extension of another character. Who is to say that a film sometime in the future, within the franchise, might have Johnson portraying the avatar as their own self, without someone transformed into that person as part of the story? GUtt01 (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

You seem stuck on sub-bullets being reserved solely for characters at different ages. I think that's unnecessarily restrictive. The text makes the distinction abundantly clear, so I don't see any real cause for confusion. I also don't think The Next Level should influence this article to such a degree. I think it's fine to discuss Bravestone as an extension of Spencer for this film, and discuss him slightly differently, with additional clarification, in the article for the sequel. This article can allow for some broader considerations of the franchise, but I think considering Bravestone to be a completely separate character in the context of this film is inappropriate, and misrepresents this particular work. --Fru1tbat (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not inappropriate, but there might be something in what you say that does make sense to me. But try to understand that we have to not confuse the two characters - putting it down for Johnson as "Spencer Gilpin / Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone: An intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student. In Jumanji, he is tranformed into a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer" may seem cleaner, but there is a somewhat confusing tone here for those reading this. Separating by sub-bullets could be done, therefore, but with a little thought of checking how it is done in other articles for films. Take a look at the original 1995 film Jumanji - in that film, the character of Alan Parrish was portrayed by two different actors, and the use of a sub-bullet was clearly used to identify the main actor and the supporting actor who portrayed each respective role of that character.

May I make a suggestion? How about this approach:

• Dwayne Johnson as Spencer Gilpin's avatar Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone - A strong, confident archaeologist and explorer, and an avatar of Jumanji whom Spencer transform into.
• Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin - An intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student in the real world.

GUtt01 (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

That's very close to one of my preferred versions above, but with the sub-bullet made into a main bullet. I don't see any good reason to do that - the top-billed cast shouldn't have other names mixed in as main bullets (sub-bullets, however, are fine). And yes, in the Jumanji example you cite, the sub-bullets are used for different ages. What I keep trying to communicate is that this doesn't mean it must be that way. That usage is not exclusive. --Fru1tbat (talk) 19:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore, Johnson is still actually portraying Spencer, not Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone. Smolder is simply his physical appearance; Spencer is who he actually is. Bluerules (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

As I said above, other film articles do not have a bearing on this article. If Johnson portrayed an avatar as its own self, without someone transforming into that avatar in a future film, that would be reflected in the article for that film. In the article for this film, the subject of this discussion, that is not the case. In this film, Johnson is portraying the character who simply assumes the physical form of a video game avatar. He is not merely exhibiting factors such as how that person would speak and might behave; he is that character in reality. He behaves like Spencer, is called Spencer, answers to Spencer, and considers himself to be Spencer because he actually is Spencer. We wouldn't know for certain how he is referred to in the script of the film that the writers created without actually seeing the script, but it's telling that he's referred to as "Spencer", not "Smolder Bravestone" in the ending credits. This demonstrates that the filmmakers (including presumably the writers) consider him to be portraying the same character as Wolff because again, he is portraying the same character as Wolff. These credits, coming from the film and the filmmakers themselves, should not be downplayed in favor of what we may believe the characters' names to be. The bottom line is Smolder is not a separate entity from Spencer in this film. He's more than an extension of Spencer, he actually is Spencer. Bluerules (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

But how can he be Spencer, when Nigel details the avatar in the film by the name and background they have? Yes, if he portrayed the character as its own self, it would be easy to point out. But Johnson is not portraying the character, per se - he is portraying the role of the avatar, chosen by Spencer and who subsequently becomes him in appearance only - yes he acts and behaves like Spencer, but that is because per the story, the avatar is, in a manner of speaking, like the physical shell that embodies the essence of Spencer himself in all factors concerning traits, beahviour, speaking style, etc. While the sequel showed that the avatar is not confined to being occupied by the spirit of a single character, nevertheless the avatar's background and identity has to be clarified separately and clearly to anyone who has not seen the film before.

In short, the actor's role in the film is to portray the avatar of the game, but primarily the physical appearance of the avatar - indentifying who became which avatar is considered appropriate to help identify that. All other traits that belong to the character that becomes the avatar needs to be kept separate for the "real-world" character.GUtt01 (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Disagree almost entirely. In this film, Johnson portrays Bravestone as embodied by Spencer, or Spencer as he inhabits the avatar of Bravestone. They're practically inseparable, regardless of his physical appearance. Nigel is an NPC in the game - his characterization of Bravestone doesn't prove any point here. You're looking at it too much from the perspective of the next film or the game world. We need to discuss films with an out-of-universe perspective, and here the subject is this film. The Jumanji video game is a universe inside the film's universe - that can't be our perspective. --Fru1tbat (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but think more carefully about how someone construes the following line: as Spencer Gilpin / : . Now... While the initial sentence is a description of Spencer Gilpin's character, the second sentence will cause confusion, regardless of there being a sub-bullet saying " as Spencer in the real world." I think perhaps we might want to not use the Avatar's name here. I just had a thought that while the character is defined by that name, its not what the credits say. I think that the bulleted points need to be redone differently - I now agree with this, after the discussion we had, but I think we should have the avatar name in the description:

• "Dwayne Johnson and Alex Wolff as Spencer Gilpin - Gilpin (Wolff) is an intelligent, but unconfident and neurotic high school student. In Jumanji, he is transformed into a strong, confident archaeologist and explorer named Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone (Johnson)."

A sub-bullet should only be used if a supporting actor is portraying the character in another version. GUtt01 (talk) 20:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Nigel is an NPC who is only programmed to recognize the human players as their in-game avatars. Why is Nigel's word being given priority over Fridge, Bethany, and Martha, who all call him Spencer in the game and actually have the agency to recognize who he really is? Most importantly, Spencer still deems himself to be Spencer while in the game because he truly is Spencer. This is not like Swamp Thing where Swamp Thing is not actually Alec Holland because he merely absorbed Alec's memories. Johnson is portraying the character of Spencer because Spencer was physically sucked into game and physically transformed into an avatar. The avatar has the physical appearance of Johnson, but it is Spencer who has become that avatar and Johnson plays that character accordingly. Johnson acts and behaves like Spencer because he is Spencer; he doesn't act strong and confident, he acts insecure and neurotic as he's forced to improve himself to escape the game. Again, Spencer was literally sucked into the game. The avatar isn't just a physical shell that embodies the essence of Spencer himself. Spencer is actually inside of the avatar because he's actually trapped inside of the game. The avatar has all factors concerning traits, behavior, speaking style, etc. with Spencer because he is Spencer and there isn't anything that disproves the fact that he is Spencer. It's fine to include the avatar's background and identity in the article, but it should not be separated from the actual character's background and identity because that is inaccurate and may mislead anyone who has not seen the film before into believing they are separate characters when they are not. The bottom line is even the film itself states that Johnson portrayed Spencer because the ending credits only attribute him as portraying Spencer.

The actor's role in the film is to portray who is actually inside of the avatar, the actual character they are portraying. That is why Johnson acts as an insecure and neurotic high school student instead of the strong, confident explorer the avatar is. Identifying who became which avatar should be included, but the traits that belong to the character who becomes the avatar needs to remain with the real-world character because they are the same character. Separating them is incorrect and inaccurate. Bluerules (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Putting Johnson and Wolff on the same bullet was my original suggestion for the cast section. However, I do not have a preference between having them on the same line and removing the sub-bullets or using the hyphens on the main bullet for Johnson and having Wolff in a sub-bullet. I feel either approach is accurate and improves the cast section of the article. Bluerules (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Mouse or Moose?

SummerPhDv2.0, I've reverted your change, because of the general flow of recent reverts:

On 26/04/20 Zamyafields1028 made this edit changing from "Mouse" to "Moose". They also made the same change over at The Next Level here which I reverted here.

The Zamya changes were not made with any sourcing, or edit summaries, and they didn't change anything else - text in the plot section still referred to "Mouse" for both films, also in the Next Level only the first instance of "Mouse" was changed:

Kevin Hart as Franklin "Moose" Finbar: Milo's avatar (Later Fridge's again) who develops a new skill: linguistics (which, simply put, means "Mouse" can now communicate with animals).

The IP editor quite rightly reverted this change. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I do not know which is correct. I have, however, seen this changed in several articles both ways repeatedly. Searching the net, I have not found a reliable source using either one. Unreliable sources (other wikis, blogs, etc.) vary.

All of my reverts re this issue are from edits made without benefit of supporting cites or an edit summary to explain. I can neither support nor dispute either one. Yes, the IP's edit makes it consistent. Whether that is consistently right or consistently wrong I cannot say. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Curious there isn't an RS, because it's a clear plot point in the first film that the avatar is "Mouse", which Fridge misreads as "Moose" before entering the game. Surely the film itself is an acceptable source here? --Fru1tbat (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

The IP edits reverted it back to being consistent. It was the Zamya edits which introduced inconsistency. Also, Fru1tbat is correct:

Nigel: "Franklin Mouse Finbar! Welcome to Jumanji!"

Fridge: "It's Moose. It's not Mouse."

Nigel: "No, good sir, I'm quite sure it's Mouse."

Fridge: "Mouse?"

Nigel: "A nickname given for your diminutive stature and adorable manner."

Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Bravestone's weaknesses

Initially it is said that Dr. Bravestone has no weaknesses and later on he is attacked and killed by the jaguars. Tiyahshandoo (talk) 14:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

"Weaknesses" refers to a specific vulnerability over and above those of regular enemies - Shelly doesn't list "hippo" as a weakness, but he's still killed by one right at the beginning of the adventure. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Mouse Finbar into Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle

insufficient specific information for a separate article DGG ( talk ) 17:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, this should be merged, absolutely no independent sources on the character. 2019AlwaysLit (talk) 19:37, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Merge them. The other page is rubbish/needs improvement. Sahaib3005 (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Support merging all Jumanji character articles. I haven't seen any coverage that indicates a standalone article for any of them. Maybe a list-of-characters article at most. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

All of the information in Mouse Finbar, and any other major characters in Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, could be merged with the "cast" section of the main Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle article. There is nothing in the character articles that merits a standalone article. PrinceTortoise (talk) 22:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)PrinceTortoise

• I also support merging. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 20:37, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Box office mojo

Box office mojo stated that due to several rereleases, Jumanji 2 has grossed $995,339,117. 24.45.0.66 (talk) 01:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done Mike Allen 04:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Cast section does not follow WP:FILMCAST

The listed names here do not match the films credits – for example, Dwayne Johnson is just credited as "Spencer" not as "Dr. Xander Bravestone" (and certainly not as "Dr. Xander "Smolder" Bravestone"), while Alex Wolff is credited as "Young Spencer" not as "Spencer Gilpin".

I do not find a compelling reason not to follow WP:FILMCAST in this case (ditto the sequel, whose credits I have not checked) – the "avatar" names can simply be mentioned in the character summaries. But we should report the credited characters for the actors, and should not be substituting editor preferences for that.

By the same token, Colin Hanks uncredited appearance in the film must be sourced to a secondary source, as the film's credits would not verify an uncredited appearance. And Mason Guccione is credited as just "Gamer", not as "Young Alex". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

We should be following FILMCAST and listing all names as credited. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)