Talk:Judo at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Qualification

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Isn't it too early to note non-Japanese qualified judoka?[edit]

Some of the top 18 in each weight class don't have enough ranking points to mathematically assure their place in the games. I am suggesting that only those who are mathematically assured their place AND were confirmed to participate by their OC will be listed, or that all will be removed until the 28th of June date. Deancarmeli (talk) 07:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think being confirmed should be a requirement as that isn't a requirement in all other sports, like athletics. But yeah, being mathematically assured would be reasonable. As it stands, the data is highly temporary and will mislead people who don't read the fine print. It's a bummer though, because whoever made the list put a lot of effort into it. Perhaps the data needed to be removed can be kept within <-- --> so it isn't wasted. -- Lejman (talk) 20:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Until we get official confirmation from the International Judo Federation, anything is speculative, including the mathmetical qualification, unless confirmed by a source (which I do not think exists), if so please point me too it. Until then, the page should not include this information as per WP:CRYSTAL. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan: I do not agree. If the page shows the athletes to be qualified to the games, as shown in the official International Judo Federation website, what is the harm? Deancarmeli (talk) 12:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is harm because it literally says "Note: the information shown is provisional and only shows which judoka would be qualified, if the Olympic Games were today. The list will likely change significantly until 28th June 2021, which is the deadline for obtaining points for Olympic qualification." Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan: You are welcomed to indicate the athelets that are mathematically assured to be qualified to the OG, or the ones confirmed by their NOC's to partake in the games. The next unilateral undoing of editors work while ignoring this discussion shall be reported as edit warring. Deancarmeli (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JanPleun: Would you like to provide your opinion on the matter? Deancarmeli (talk) 19:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I do not see the harm. These athletes are currently qualified for the Olympics and normally there would not change much. I will be happy to change per direct after any running tournament. But if I irritate or insult somebody with this, I am happy tot accept anybodys opinion one this. I am currently without a job and therefore I spent more time on our beloved websiet as usual JanPleun (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CRYSTAL you are violating a key rule, @Deancarmeli. Unless you can get a third party source indicating every name listed has qualified, then you are doing WP:OR. I will be reporting you to ANI if you continue your disruptive behaviour. User:Raymarcbadz what do you think?, you also reverted for the same reason. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive behaviour? nice.
The list may be changed to indicate that it shows athletes to-be-qualified, much like sports leagues show who is set to qualify for a farther round if the state won't change.
Erasing an someone else's work is easy. improving it is much more helpful. Deancarmeli (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Changing the Mixed team section[edit]

I suggest that we change it to display the teams' athletes in their respective weight classes, with their in-tournament rankings. I've stated to work on the male side, the female is next.

**(#) Qualified male judoka**
	Lower third				Upper third
NOC	-60	-66	-73	-81	-90	-100	+100
Japan	2. Naohisa Takato	3. Hifumi Abe	11. Shohei Ono	13. Takanori Nagase	10. Shoichiro Mukai	5. Aaron Wolf	1. Hisayoshi Harasawa
Brazil	11. Eric Takabatake	9. Daniel Cargnin	25. Eduardo Barbosa	19. Eduardo Yudy Santos	17. Rafael Macedo	15. Rafael Buzacarini	5. Rafael Silva
Canada	—	—	7. Arthur Margelidon	9. Antoine Valois-Fortier	—	8. Shady El Nahas	—
France	9. Luka Mkheidze	16. Kilian Le Blouch	20. Guillaume Chaine	—	15. Axel Clerget	10. Alexandre Iddir	10. Teddy Riner
Germany	19. Moritz Plafky	19. Sebastian Seidl	17. Igor Wandtke	10. Dominic Ressel	13. Eduard Trippel	17. Karl-Richard Frey	16. Johannes Frey
Israel	—	5. Baruch Shmailov	6. Tohar Butbul	2. Sagi Muki	21. Li Kochman	4. Peter Paltchik	8. Or Sasson
Italy	—	1. Manuel Lombardo	12. Fabio Basile	12. Christian Parlati	20. Nicholas Mungai	—	—
Mongolia	15. Amartuvshin Dashdavaa	4. Baskhuu Yondonperenlei	5. Tsogtbaatar Tsend-Ochir	6. Saeid Mollaei	16. Altanbagana Gantulga	13. Lkhagvasürengiin Otgonbaatar	18. Duurenbayar Ulziibayar
Netherlands	10. Tornike Tsjakadoea	—	—	5. Frank de Wit	2. Noël van 't End	3. Michael Korrel	6. Henk Grol
South Korea	6. Kim Won-jin	2. An Baul	3. An Changrim	—	14. Gwak Dong-han	6. Cho Gu-ham	9. Kim Min-jong
Uzbekistan	5. Sharafuddin Lutfillaev	7. Sardor Nurillaev	9. Khikmatillokh Turaev	7. Sharofiddin Boltaboev	5. Davlat Bobonov	12. Mukhammadkarim Khurramov	15. Bekmurod Oltiboev
Refugee Olympic Team	—	—	32. Ahmad Alikaj	—	30. Popole Misenga	—	22. Javad Mahjoub
ROC	1. Yago Abuladze	8. Yakub Shamilov	13. Musa Mogushkov	8. Alan Khubetsov	9. Mikhail Igolnikov	7. Niyaz Ilyasov	2. Inal Tasoev
Total teams: 13	9	10	12	10	12	11	11
			Middle third

What do you say? Deancarmeli (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Official qualification list[edit]

@Jr Tahun: @Jose De Sousa Superfan: The IJF currently updates the Official Qualification List on its website, doing so alphabetically, by nation.
By now, the update has reached Ireland (52 nations).
I'm suggesting that we give the page a rest until the update will be finished. Deancarmeli (talk) 14:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, we've only been adding in the Tripartite places that have been confirmed anyway. Jose De Sousa Superfan (talk) 14:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]