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i agree that both titles should be listed however in the box i suggest only listing IM because it is a "higher" title so to say. listening both titles the way you did 'woman grand master (international master)' could IMO confuse somebody into thinking that it is all one title. Loosmark (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong opinion on the phrasing; I just copied it from the FIDE rating page. IM is indeed a slightly higher absolute rank than WGM, but I believe that, worldwide, there are significantly fewer WGMs than IMs, thus making the former title in a sense more notable. (There is also a Wikipedia category for WGMs, but not for IMs.) But I agree that the parenthetical "(IM)" may be confusing, so it's probably better to list the titles in the infobox as "WGM, IM", similarly to the Polish article. I've updated the page accordingly. But as I said, if you believe strongly that it should be just IM in the infobox, I won't object. Hqb (talk) 21:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are fewer WGMs than IMs but only because most IMs are men. if you only count among women then there are far less IMs. in fact i have never seen that a woman would be a IM but not a WGM (the oposite is of course very common). anyway i think puting both titles in the infobox is probably the best sollution.Loosmark (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For WGM you need an Elo rating of 2300, for IM 2400. The only case of being IM without WGM that I have heard of is Irina Krush between the years 2000 and 2002. --Gereon K. (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was probably because at the time you had to have norms for getting the those titles. btw is there an article on wiki which would list of the FIDE titles and describe shortly what you need to do to achive them? i can't find anything like that at the moment.Loosmark (talk) 13:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is a brief list at Chess titles. It might be a good idea to flesh it out with more details from the official FIDE rules. Hqb (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You still do need norms to qualify for the titles. The rating you need for obtaining them. --Gereon K. (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is true for GM and IM. but i don't think you need the norms for FM anymore. Loosmark (talk) 14:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, for FM it's just the 2300 once achieved and lots of cash to pay to the FIDE (EURO 100 for example). --Gereon K. (talk) 22:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did FM ever require norms? (It may have, but I'm unaware of it. If a source is available it should be added to FIDE Master.) I don't think anyone was talking about FM or WFM anyway. There is one way in which the requirements for WGM are more stringent than those for IM—recipients are required to be female, immediately ruling out nearly half the population. See also Grandmaster (chess), International Master, Woman Grandmaster, FIDE Master, and Woman FIDE Master, where the titles and requirements are discussed, and also Grandmaster norm. I think there was some discussion about merging all but GM into the chess titles article since we have relatively little to say about the titles beside GM and World Champion, and there's a lot of common material. The individual articles are easier to link to, FWIW. 165.189.101.177 (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
