Talk:Jisr az-Zarqa

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Can we use SWP p. 13 &Palmer p. 140 in this article? Also, for background, see this. Huldra (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Mondoweiss[edit]

For someone who recently claimed "I don't reach much stuff on Mondoweiss either. I'm not interested in ideologists" you sure seem intent on getting that blog post into the article any which way. In case you are wondering, the reason to exclude it is spelled out here: "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), content farms, Internet forum postings, and social media postings, are largely not acceptable as sources.". You need to start editing in accordance with wikipedia policy. Epson Salts (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPS throws zero light on this: 'group blogs' (as distinguished from newsblogs, . . . are largely not acceptable as sources.".' Mondoweiss is not a group blog. it began as a blog and developed into an independent web news site publishing anything from blog comments to serious essays, fieldwork by journalists or academic reviews as in the Achcar case. it hosts a wide range of articles, investigative journalism, opinion, reviews and general analyses. As a third opinion, User:Rhoark once commented, in this case, the rapid development of the net means that one must evaluate each case, not apply a blanket ban. (b) Yes, I read very few articles on Mondoweiss, The Jerusalem Post, The Times of Israel, The Tablet, The Forward, CounterPunch, and of those I read I generally find little that is useful. But I don't exclude them a priori. To try to outlaw any of these modern media outright without a close evaluation of the quality of what is being used is ideological, nothing more.
Concretely, the article is acceptable being neither polemical, nor ideological, but a report on a series of interviews made with residents of the village by a freelance travel writer, who is not divagating on his own impressions but relating what he heard (we used such sources throughout of Jewish traveler reports from the medieval age down to modern times, with no quibbling) and whose article was then accepted on Mondoweiss by the editorial staff. Ask anyone at RSN and they would read it as essentially in the same style as the Haaretz/Times of Israel articles we cite, with a difference that it gives the local voices more space. I'd take your objection seriously if you could show me where the author is falsifying, or quoted for his own opinions, or citing demonstrably erroneous 'facts'. The fact that on two occasions you found an alternative source which confirms the precision of his facts, and replaced him, suggests he reported those facts reliably. And it is to that end that I use him. Citing the fact that residents commute to work in Haifa, Tel Aviv is not to make an exceptional claim, or to invent improbable claims, things which our guidelines are crafted to avoid being used.Nishidani (talk) 12:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken it to the RSN board Nishidani (talk) 12:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Jisr az-Zarka? Transliteration from Arabic is Jisr Al-Zarka, isn't it?[edit]

It is my understanding that the actual transliteration of the town's name جِسْر الزَّرْقَاء is Jisr Al-Zarka, NOT az-Zarka. I see that the original name of the town in the article (Jisr al-Zarka) was changed to az-Zarka back in 2006 and it remained unchallenged for over a decade. Now even if L is silent, it would be Jisr a-Zarka. Any experienced Arabic speakers care to weigh in on this? N1of2 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to your question is indicated in the third paragraph of Arabic definite article: "when followed by a sun letter such as t, d, r, s, n and a few others, it is replaced by the sound of the initial consonant of the following noun, thus doubling it." The letter "z" is not mentioned there (the article should give a complete list) but from other places like here you can see that "z" is included in the "few others". (Disclaimer: I'm not an Arabic speaker; I've just met this issue lots of times.) Zerotalk 02:43, 13 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1887??[edit]

Isn't this Guwarnet ez Zerka, mentioned in Schumacher, 1888, p. 181?? Note, that that is in district Haifa. From what SWP says about Jisr az-Zarqa, I think it is the same place, Any objections to putting the 1887 data from Schumacher into the article? Huldra (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Schumacher, G. (1888). "Population list of the Liwa of Akka". Quarterly statement - Palestine Exploration Fund. 20: 169–191.

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