Talk:Jack Charlton

'66 World Cup Details Necessary?

Surely a link to the relevant Wikipedia articles on the '66 World Cup would suffice? --ukexpat 20:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't go that far. A lot of the section can be removed as it's irrelevant to JC. Then what's left can be expanded upon.  Sʟυмgυм • т • c  21:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Done - after only a year ;-) Scolaire (talk) 09:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

hi was inventedin 1925 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.145.1 (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hyporbele

The whole article - particulary those parts of it that relate to his time as ROI manager, are filled with hyporbele. It seems to be designed to encoredge this 'big jack' myth. His record as a manager was actually very average. It needs sorting. RicoRichmond (talk) 00:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Charlton was certainly the most successful ROI manager, but numerous people (such as Eamon Dunphy) have argued that he played 'negative' football that did not fully exploit the potential of the impressive Irish squad of the early 90s. It's possible they would have gone further under a less conservative manager. ANB (talk) 23:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Further than the quarter-finals against Paolo Maldini, Roberto Baggio, Carlo Ancelotti, Gianluca Vialli...--EchetusXe 22:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Can we have a picture of the the guy?

I would prefer the picture to be an up to date one, if possible.

Thank you. Mcjm4796 (talk) 09:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The Giraffe

Wasn't he called The Giraffe? --194.144.23.124 (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jack Charlton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC) Ok. Will read and review this. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

For starters, I wouldn't have the club nicknames in inverted commas - never saw that in football books and is jarring now.

I saw the comment on the other GAN about concern of overreliance on one source - however given it is about a footballer and not (say) politician, I am not going to quickfail, but I do think it is worth checking some other books to see if they have differing viewpoints - looking at google books, there is some stuff to wade through. I see this shows a side which might be a bit controversial. Others like this and this ( this is good in context of him coaching the Irish team) would be good to add as different non-primary sources.

Also this for some amusing anecdotes and bluntness.

And this and this

I also have a Greatest Players book that has him in that I will dig up - I think it would be good to at least sprinkle some of the above through this. But I think it looks pretty good and reads well overall, so GA should be readily achievable Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I added a few sentences referenced by a couple of those sources. The articles already states "Charlton is a keen amateur fisherman and also takes part in field sport" with a link to Country sport. I don't think that hunting and shooting animals is very cool but it isn't what he is known for, he doesn't seem to have gotten into trouble with the law for it, and it doesn't seem to have had much coverage in the media. He talks in his autobiography of numerous controversies that are mentioned here, such as Leeds rough play, being difficult to manage in his early years and his insistence on taking charge of the defence as a player, criticism that he got non-Irish players to play for Ireland, not talking to his brother for years. There are a lot of other sources on show and I don't see much point in changing some references to other books just for the same of it. Though that is what I did when I was at university when writing essays to make it seem like I had read lots of sources. Feel free to sprinkle other sources in if you believe it improves the article.--EchetusXe 16:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Good points - was musing on it as I had seen the other GAN In any case, material does not seem to disagree with other information out there from what I have read (though some different anecdotes pop up). Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: - re prose, found myself zoning out and just reading it, which is a good sign that there are no clangers left prose-wise. A nice read. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

International

I think there is quite an omission, because Charlton (J) played for England WELL before the 60s and the run up to the world cup in England.

I think he played at right back against Northern Ireland in the Home Championship in 1954, and perhaps in one other match. But I would have got this information from an FA yearbook of sometime in the 1960s, or something of that era, which I no longer have; does anyone else think this is true? It doesn't really tie in with the rest of the story as told in the article, but that doesn't make it wrong. Nick Barnett (talk) 16:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

1 Ray Wood 2 Bill Foulkes 3 Roger Byrne 4 John Wheeler 5 Billy Wright (c) 6 Ray Barlow 7 Stanley Matthews 8 Don Revie 9 Nat Lofthouse 10 Johnny Haynes 11 Brian Pilkington That was the line-up for that match. Thanks.--EchetusXe 17:18, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hunting animals

Why is there no mention of his love for blood sports, including fox hunting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.124.47 (talk) 06:14, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

That's what field sports are.--EchetusXe 12:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Manager when he made debut

There were a couple of mentions of Raich Carter being manager at Leeds when Charlton made his debut, supported by sources. The first is an anecdote from Jimmy Greeves book, the second goes to a biography of Charlton. Unfortunately, these sources appear not to be accurate. Carter took over at Leeds in May, as evidenced by Daniel Chapman's History of Leeds Utd, and Frank Garrick's biography of Carter, Charlton's debut was Major Buckley's last game in charge. I feel that, although this is sourced material, the conflict with other sources merits the removal of the anecdote regarding his first game and of Carter's name as the manager who gave him his debut.--Boynamedsue (talk) 06:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)