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Major rewrites[edit]

2010[edit]

I'll put back the references I have overwritten once I have sorted out the structure of this article. Please don't revert my edits for the time being. I will also give better references in many cases.

There is no evidence that Ishoyahb was behind the mission to China, though the date of the mission and the elaborate preparation it must have taken are certainly suggestive. Statements that he sent the mission are mere inferences, and do not rest on any documentary authority.

Djwilms (talk) 04:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2011, "Sourced material"[edit]

I think it would help if the editor who totally undid what I did - which brought in the Khuzistan Chronicle amongst others - would explain where I deleted stuff that was "sourced". Maybe I did - I didn't intend to, but mistakes happen - but even if I did, it doesn't mean the whole thing should be killed. It would mean you need to go back, find what I deleted, restore it, and castigate me here for my carelessness.

Looking back on it, all I see that I "deleted" was a bit which called shenanigans on a request to Umar, which is nowhere cited in the literature prior to the `Abbasids. And I didn't delete it; I just flagged it as likely spurious, with a link to a modern scholar who has proven such forgeries elsewhere.

So yeah. There's that. --Zimriel (talk) 05:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Zimriel (talk),

Sorry if I was hasty. I seem to have done the same thing as you, and inadvertently taken out stuff that could usefully have stayed in (especially the material from Guidi's Chronicle). Let me revisit your earlier edit, and take another look at it. I don't agree with all you say, and I don't think we need to labour the point at such length, but I do agree with you that we need to cast doubt on the authenticity of these so-called 'treaties' between the Christians and the Muslims. I am familiar with Chase Robinson's book, and although he is not always right, he is right on that point.

Give me a couple of days, and I will try to come up with a suitable form of words.

Djwilms (talk) 05:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]