Talk:Into Temptation (film)

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Date	Process	Result
May 1, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed
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July 4, 2011	Featured article candidate	Promoted
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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Into Temptation (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Xtzou (Talk) 23:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think this article is very well done, gives a good sense of the film, and seems adequately referenced. I have only a few comments.

"John's simple act of defending Linda during her childhood proved to be such a profound moment in her life" - It is mentioned in the plot section that the film ends with this flashback, but it doesn't clarify by this "proved to be such a profound moment in her life". I took it to be a film maker's device to end with that.
- I tried to modify the plot summary to be more clear. Let me know if it works. — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Listening to what I took to be the music for the film in one of your references, it sounded like a mellow jazz, definitely with some brass, so saying it is a "gentle piano" doesn't seem right. (I did not come across a description, however.)
- I'm basing this on the Variety review blurb: "Tech credits, including Russell Holsapple's gentle piano score and David Doyle's vivid work with the Red camera, are righteous despite a modest offering plate." But if you think I should cut it, let me know. — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One of the reviewers called it a "noirish" drama and it does seem that way from looking at the stills (and listening to the music). Do you think this fits? Also, it does seem very Seattle in atmosphere, which I take to mean very Milwaukee, as they are probably similar - so very influenced by place. (Do the characters speak with a Minnesota accent?)
- Sorry, but I'm not entirely sure what you're seeking with this suggestion? — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you did a good job of showing the complex influence of the Catholic Church. Some of the stills from the film that show this are very moving.
- Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The review selections you chose convey the film well.
- Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like the second review quote, but that is personal opinion.
- Which one, exactly? (By second, do you mean Coyle's second quote fragment "strikes a near perfect-balance"? Or Covert's thing about "one of the few American films..."? If you have a suggestion with which to replace it, I'm certainly open to it.
Perhaps a night scene from downtown Milwaukee, or even a Milwaukee church or bridge or something, would be more representative than the photo you have in the article.
- I'm guessing you mean Minneapolis? I've tried a night photo... — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I made a few copy edits to satisfy my nitpicks but you are free to revert them.
- Look good! — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regards, Xtzou (Talk) 23:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Hun ter Ka hn 03:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments

I like the substituted image much better, even though you didn't take my bait about "noirish"! I didn't like the last pullquote about known and unknow actors, but I have grown used to it. I think the article is fine as it is. Xtzou (Talk) 17:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality: Clear and concise writing

B. MoS compliance: Complies with the basic MoS
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources: Sources are reliable

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: Well referenced where needed

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects: Broad in scope

B. Focused: } Remains focused on topic
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail: Pass!

Congratulations! Xtzou (Talk) 17:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Optioned" and "industry officials"[edit]

I found the following language confusing, and I think both passages need to be reworked:

In the lead section: "Into Temptation was optioned in Hollywood, but talks fell through..."

In the primary text: "Into Temptation was optioned in Hollywood, but Coyle was displeased when industry officials pushed for a different ending and more gratuitous sex scenes. Due to complications from the financial crisis of 2007-2010, the Hollywood discussions eventually collapsed."

It is customary and proper to describe a script as being "optioned" for potential production, but not a completed film. Are you talking about something like a provisional release deal? The bit about "industry officials" is also odd. Are you talking about executives at a particular studio (which studio?), at multiple studios (which ones?), or some other sort of industry figures (what sort?)? DocKino (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found an online link to the story used as a source here, which I've since added to the article. As you can see, it's sort of vague, which is why I had to be vague with "industry officials". Additionally, the word "optioned" is the one used by Coyle in an exact quote, so I'm not sure what other word to use, as his quote doesn't give much more specific information. Perhaps you could take a quick look at that quote and see what words could be used instead? — Hun ter Ka hn 22:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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