Talk:Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity

Broken link removed

I have removed the following link from the main article:

• Dr Patrick Sookhdeo interviewed for The Telegraph

Shortly after this interview by Alasdair Palmer was published the online article was withdrawn by the Telegraph, ostensibly "for legal reasons". Now nearly 3 months later, the link is just broken. Copies of the interview were posted on other websites, though these may have since been removed to avoid breach of copyright. DFH 18:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The interview title was The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state. DFH 18:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

out of context, inaccurate quotes

The quotes are full, and fully referenced.

A 3rd party’s concurrence with an individual of an organisation does not equate to that organisation agreeing with that 3rd party's actions or beliefs

Right, but the passage did not claim that ISIC agrees with Nick Griffin/BNP. It simply states that Nick Griffin endorses ISIC's research, which is perfectly true. NATO probably doesn't endorse Dr. Sookhdeo's teachings, but he is quite happy to mention them in his bio. Nevertheless, I have removed this statement for the time being whilst I check with some Wikipedia bigwigs.

re: quotes, 3rd parties and speaking engagements

I'm not sure how beliefs held by the majority in most of the major religions is relevant: their religion is the one true path.

How does Patrick Sookhdeo essentially reciting Jesus' "None come to the father except through me...": incite hatred? mean that he is for discrimination? is against human rights, religious freedom and equality.

As this is what is insinuated. If he is a Christian which subscribes to Jesus' teaching then he is for human rights, equality and against incitement of hatred. But general Christian principles are not relevant here.

His views on secular humanism in this context only relate to Christians being afraid to state what is in the Bible.

With regard to Nick Griffin etc, anyone can quote a part of a body of work. Their use of a quotation however isn't relevant to this article. If it is, a very long list of approvals from every blogger/website could soon become very tedious. Singling out Nick Griffin is quite emotive and unnecessary. The example of NATO in Patrick Sookhdeo's bio is hugely different. It states that he has lectured for them as part of his life and career - therefore relevant (to Patrick Sookhdeo's life and career).

Singling out one particular speaking engagement in October 2007 is also quite irrelevant. I believe Patrick Sookhdeo speaks at hundreds of events all over the world and perhaps this is not the place to start listing them. The list would surely be more relevant on the Patrick Sookhdeo entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Researcher3098 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

re: quotes, 3rd parties and speaking engagements cont.

"I'm not sure how beliefs held by the majority in most of the major religions is relevant: their religion is the one true path." No, many religions do not believe in 'one true path'; even many Christian denominations do not believe this. It is important to clarify this perspective.

""How does Patrick Sookhdeo essentially reciting Jesus' "None come to the father except through me...": incite hatred? " There is no claim that his statement incites hatred. The simple fact of his words (as reported in a sympathetic Christian publication) and the venues he lectures in is reported, from a neutral point of view.

"If it is, a very long list of approvals from every blogger/website could soon become very tedious. Singling out Nick Griffin is quite emotive and unnecessary. The example of NATO in Patrick Sookhdeo's bio is hugely different. It states that he has lectured for them as part of his life and career - therefore relevant (to Patrick Sookhdeo's life and career)." ...Singling out one particular speaking engagement in October 2007 is also quite irrelevant. " I didn't single out Nick Griffin, and in any case, I did not include Nick Griffin in the revision which you undid. Instead of deleting such references, you should add more in, to give a fuller picture, if you feel it is unrepresentative. The other link actually includes an MP3 interview with Sookhdeo himself, and given the nature of the event it is quite important to include it. You can include it as well on the Sookhdeo page if you like, but it is relevant here as he is the Director of this institute.

Furthermore, the description "the education and research arm of Barnabas Fund, a charity which provides aid for persecuted Christians in more than 50 countries" is taken from an ISIC publication itself and is both indisputable and more accurate than the previous description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.162.82 (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Reverted edit by 96.52.162.82

This edit has been reverted to the previous version on the following grounds: 1. The editor seems to be adding content which is not directly relevant to this article and would feature much more appropriately under an article on Patrick Sookhdeo himself rather than ISIC. Patrick Sookhdeo's article is linked to within the current article. 2. It contained incomplete and therefore inaccurate quotes from an article. 3. The edit contained interpretation rather than reporting of what was written, leading to it being a POV. 4. Weasel words - there was no referencing of oppinion stated as fact "many observers.....describe as...". 5. Factual content was removed relating to NATO reference. 6. There seems to be a conserted effort to link Patrick Sookhdeo to hard right wing ideologies simply by association and inference. That is to say just because some people were in the same room at the same time does not mean their veiws or political stance is agreed with or adhered to by each other. The relationship or appreciation does not have to be mutually inclusive. To try to suggest such verges on defamatory. Editor6814 (talk) 10:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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