Talk:Indonesian Sign Language

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Is ISL a generic term or a small family consisting of Jakarta SL, Yogyakarta SL, and maybe others? Should this article be moved to the plural, or should those be merged into it? — kwami (talk) 17:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merged. These are the same 'language'. — kwami (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unmarked Word Order (or Basic Word Order (BWO))[edit]

The BWO was stated for Kata Kolok in the article as verbfinal. However, caution needs to be exercised. Sometimes, the determination of BWO is based on the frequency of where verbs are placed in interactive conversations or in a multi clausal narrative.

To determine BWO of a signed language, one needs to use uninflectable verbs, like body-anchored verbs, and construct sentences with them. I observe at the hands of different sign languages of the deaf to often find inflectable verbs at the end of sentences, if they contain spatial markings in the signing space or on the signer's body or hand and fingers. Otherwise, verbs could be final or medial. Inflected signs are deictic to contain reference points to refer to a person, thing, and sometimes to a time frame that are given previously. Classifiers as expressed by different handshapes are also pronominal and can be fused into the movement of a verb sign. Since the structure of a signed discourse is from Old => New, and Topic => Comment, the verbs are either medial or final. If a verb is highly inflected with spatial references, it is "marked" and, thus can be seen as finitive; it will be uttered at the end of sentence. In addition, a signed narrative tend to contain a series of verbs in the chronological order. The narrative with serial verbs is multiclausal, so the verbs are first in each clause with the common subject given in the first clause, so on until the end of sentence, when a new topic or subject is introduced.

WBO sometimes does not play a big role in the grammar of a language. 108.7.185.67 (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC) Hartmut Teuber, 25 August 2022.[reply]

regional sources[edit]

It would make sense for Indonesia to be influenced by old French/ Flemish sign by two centuries of Dutch and Portugese missionary education. The claim of 'ethnologue' (trading in the USA as SIL languanges inc.) that Language used by two million Indonesians is descended from American Sign Language, to put things gently, is a gross over-simplification. Indeed the cultural imperialism of ASL is acknowledged and resisted by the Indonesian deaf community, according to "Alasan Insan Tuli Memilih Bahasa Isyarat Bisindo Ketimbang SIBI" by Reporter: Cheta Nilawaty P. Editor: Rini Kustiani Date: Senin, 24 Agustus 2020 17:19 WIB in TEMPO magazine retrieved 31/1/2022 [[1]] Tradimus (talk) 12:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]