Talk:Il Sodoma

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Sodoma[edit]

I see a good deal of turn-of-the-twentieth-century speculation and investments in propriety that this article might shed to its advantage. I'd fix it myself if I had seen Andrée Hayum's published thesis, Giovanni Antonio Bazzi--"Il Sodoma" (1976) --Wetman 20:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem a little coy that the only explicit definition for "il Sodoma" in the article is "the Trainer" - this far-fetched explanation, from R. H. Cust (who went in for a bit of "training" himself), is overly prude.

Yes, the censorship of Renaissance artist sexuality on Wikipedia is surreal. But if anyone wants to fix this, I recommend Louis Crompton's 'Homosexuality and Civilization.' This is available online with Google Books and p. 278 discusses "Il Sodoma": "...Bazzi was unique in publicly acknowledging his sexual orientation; no other European of comparable note would do so again until Andre Gide." 92.78.111.204 (talk) 13:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That the well-know fact how Sodoma got to his name isn't written down here, could only come from the overly prude mindset of the person written this. Everybody who knows the name Sodoma knows the history of the name - which is about his love for little boys - that was also written down by Giorgio Vasari and therefore documented.

"Martino Spanzotti"[edit]

The anonymous change to Martino Spanzotti for Il Sodoma's master is correct. --Wetman 07:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A minor painter, one known painting, notable only as the unimportant but earliest master of Sodoma, he is sufficiently served in a footnote. --Wetman 03:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links: La Fratta[edit]

I have removed the following link

http://www.fratta.net/ piped as ‘La Fratta, an Italian National Monument with a Sodoma fresco’

This is a very bad site indeed—bad, even as bed+breakfast sites go. Two of the references I could find to Sodoma were hidden away where no normal reader would spot them. (e.g. [1].) Please don’t try to reinstate this link without justifying it on this page! —Ian Spackman 14:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Really? This whole article is written without once suggesting how he might have acquired his nick-name? A surprising ommission. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why this is difficult. The question isn't just why his nickname was Soddoma (reference to sodomy) but why it has become his conventional byname in art history. The answer is, this is how Vasari refers to him. Vasari also makes explicit that the nickname is in reference to sodomy (with "boys and beardless youths" fanciulli e giovani sbarbat, i.e. including what would today be known as pedophilia). The point that modern Italian would use "sodomita" is completely irrelevant. Use and cite secondary literature:

In his famous Lives (second edition, 1568), Renaissance artist Giorgio Vasari addressed the painter Giovanni Antonio Bazzi as ‘Soddoma’ (implying sodomite) and described him as mad, eccentric, and bestial. doi:10.1179/0075163415Z.00000000094

--dab (𒁳) 11:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]