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What Coat of Arms should be used for the Notable Members of the Dynasty?[edit]
As the question above says, there are only six (6) recorded coat of arms for the Monok family, not included modern/presently used coat of arms. Should only known/confirmed coat of arms be used, or should the generic remain until confirmation of the notable individual's own coat of arms is obtained and properly sourced? TheJessr (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Allegations of being a Hoax and Self-Published Sources[edit]
The majority of sources consist of information and documents from historical archives, legal papers/Church records, and a mixed list of works from various authors--primarily Hungarian historical authors.
One of the main issues listed on this article is that it is a hoax, however, the next issue with this article is that there are too many primary sources which does not corroborate with each other. If there are too many primary sources, then it could not be a hoax because it would mean there are man primary sources yet also a few secondary sources which continue to support the notions that the article is overly dependent on contemporary sources. As a result, the article should have the "Hoax" tag removed.
This article can not be self-published unless the sources because the first two--the main sources used--would not be written by living persons and are, furthermore, published by reputable sources (a national archive). Therefore, I propose that the self-published source tag be removed since government sources and Church records of this degree of age are presently public. 151.14.22.218 (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the allegations of being hoax as a result of the reasoning presented here. The self-published allegation can be judged by another user, so as to prevent biased judgements from myself--who largely developed and curated the present article from its inception. I (primarily) research and study Hungarian history, making this article in order to spread general knowledge of this relatively unknown dynasty.
I am starting to work on other various Hungarian noble families on Wikipedia and will continue to edit on such topics, but again, personal bias prevents me from removing anything that is clearly false or easily disproven via sources. I can not speak to the publisher of all the sources used, there are several, but I hope that the Self-Published Sources tag is removed.
However, I do believe that the other two tags should stay. TheJessr (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1. Reliable sources cited in the article that were published in the 20th or 21th centuries (Engel, Makkai) do not mention the Monok family.
2. Scholarly works cited in the article that may mention the Monok family or its members (Nagy Iván, Ráth) were published in the 19th century.
3. 90% of the article is based on original research or self-published sources (FamilySearch, Kastélyok-utazás, Royal magazin.hu) Borsoka (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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