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The contents of the De Burgh family page were merged into House of Burgh on 6 December 2021. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
De Burgh family was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 2 December 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into House of Burgh. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
I've proposed that these articles be merged, on the basis that both are functionally identical, with the same salient points & sources. I don't have an opinion on which should be kept, being unfamiliar with the genealogy article conventions. (reposted at Talk:Burke Family) --mordicai. 16:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article has text that is verbatim from its cited source, Burke: People and Places, Eamonn Bourke. Example: "It was founded by the Anglo-Norman knight William de Burgh, brother of Hubert de Burgh (q.v.). Before the death of Henry II. (1189) he received a grant of lands". This would be a copyright infringement were it not for the fact that Bourke simply cribbed this from the 1910 Encyclopaedia Britannica, so it is technically in the public domain in the US. Nonetheless, it is bad form, and the article should be rewritten from scratch. Agricolae (talk) 00:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unsuccessful. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello KINGHB190 and thanks for putting all the work into getting this article into shape. However, despite all the improvements, the article fails criterion 2b since there are too many unreferenced paragraphs and passages, especially in the subsection "Descendants of William de Burgh (d. 1206)" and in the section "Arms (Heraldry)" (there is also a citation needed tag). According to criterion 2b, these passages require inline citations "no later than the end of the paragraph". I've added a few additional observations below. I suggest that you address them and add all the relevant sources before a renomination. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From a short look, I didn't spot any unreliable sources and many are high-quality sources, like Oxford University Press.
In England, one branch of the family (Lords Burgh) changed the name to 'Burgh' at some time after the Civil War in the seventeenth century (the 'de' having been removed to hide the family's connection to the nobility and Catholicism). Either replace "at some time" with "sometime" or better remove the expression entirely
The crest...is believed to be awarded for a de Burgh's courage and skill in battle during the Crusades. This sentence sounds strange to my ears, especially the "a" before "de Burgh's courage" and the possessive of "de Burgh's". What about replacing it with ...is believed to be awarded for the courage and skill of a de Burgh in battle during the Crusades.?
According to legend, the arms originated during the crusades "crusades" should be uppercase
The whole first paragraph consists of a single sentence. I would suggest splitting it up into several shorter sentences. There also could be a grammatical problem with the last part (...; many Kings of Britain and multiple other royals, and ...): this phrase seems to lack a verb (or maybe I'm parsing it wrongly).
William de Burgh founded the Irish line of the family which included the Lords of Connaught, Earls of Ulster and Earls of Clanricarde. and After the fourteenth century, some branches of the Irish line gaelicised the surname in Irish as de Búrca which gradually became: Add commas before "which".
The lead section contains a lot of information about the circumstances of how the name changed for different branches. It might be better to discuss these details in the body of the article and only leave a shorter summary in the lead.
The article contains many duplicate wikilinks. For example, Anglo-Norman and Earl of Kent are linked both in the first and the second paragraphs. According to MOS:DUPLINK, "a link should appear only once in an article, but it may be repeated if helpful for readers, such as in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence in a section." You can use the script User:Evad37/duplinks-alt to detect them.
Since you seem to be personally associated with the topic, you should be very careful about WP:COI.
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