Talk:Hotel Polski

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Wiera Grab mention[edit]

"Another Jewish Gestapo collaborator involved in the Hotel Polski affair was the singer Wiera Gran.[5]" following the wiki page about Wiera Gran, the only official investigation into her alleged collaboration did not find her guilty. there are other references to other people from the era and locale arguing for her innocence, and claiming that accusations were heresay. based on this i think the sentence should be rephrased, describing her as an *alleged* collaborator. the allegation has not been proven true. 100.8.95.201 (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to it?[edit]

What has happened to the Hotel after 1943? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about[edit]

What about "the [false] promise of leaving to South America, a ploy to lure them, rob, and kill them", too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.15.55.139 (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what about it? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:09, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Żagiew involvement[edit]

Currently the claim that Żagiew was involved in HP 1943 affair is not properly referenced. I looked into this. This claim has been made in Stanisław Wysocki (1995). Żydzi w dziejach Polski. Wydawnictwo Ojczyzna. p. 143. ISBN 978-83-86449-04-0. through this is visible only through snippets, plus the author Stanisław Wysocki doesn't seem to have any academic credentials, and neither I can find much about Wydawnictwo Ojczyzna. This section seeems to be verbatim reprinted in Nowy przegląd wszechpolski. Wydawn. Sapere auso s.c. 2008. p. 37.; while I couldn't find much about it, pl:Nowy Przegląd Wszechpolski seems to be associated with the modern endecja (i.e. right-wing). I am not saying those are far-right, anti-semitic sources, but they so seem to be closer to that area than to any academic circles. That said, the same claim appears abberviated in Tadeusz Piotrowski (1998). Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide in the Second Republic, 1918-1947. McFarland. ISBN 978-0-7864-0371-4.; I can't compare them exactly due to snippet view on Polish texts, but Piotrowski also makes the claim that Wysocki does about 300 Żagiew members/agents remaining in the Warsaw Ghetto after the uprising suggesting that either Piotrowski uses Wysocki as a source, or that they both use the same source. What source Piotrowski is using was a bit hard to find, but after a bit of Google Books magic I was able to access his source (202 for chapter 3) on page 317 of notes: Bendarczyk, Zycie codzienne warszawskiego getta, p.237; and Bednarczyk, Obowiazek silniejszy od smierci, pp.155-56. Of course, those sources, being Polish, are also available in snippet view at best: Tadeusz Bednarczyk (1995). Życie codzienne warszawskiego getta: Warszawskie getto i ludzie, 1939-1945 i dalej. Wydawn. OJCZYZNA. ISBN 978-83-86449-02-6., Tadeusz Bednarczyk (1986). Obowiązek silniejszy od śmierci: wspomnienia z lat 1939-1944 o polskiej pomocy dla Żydów w Warszawie. Grunwald.. pl:Tadeusz Bednarczyk is an amateur historian (who seems to have worked with the Jewish resistance during WWII and was a member of AK). I was unable to verify the Zagiew involvment in HP story from Bendarczyk sources, I didn't get lucky with snippets (phrase "Hotel Polski" seems to be present on page 53 of Życie codzienne...; both books mention Żagiew through I couldn't confirm that both mention HP and Żagiew on the same page).

Overall I am not particularly happy with the sources, but since Piotrowski is considered reliable, I guess we can source the claim of HP and Żagiew involvement to him, on the assumption that he did a proper review of sources, consulted more then snippets, and confirmed this connection is more than a figment of somebody's anti-semitic imagination. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]