Talk:Gun violence in U.S. schools

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BlueMoonset talk 02:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator has not returned to address issues despite multiple pings on their talk page nor have they edited since the day this was submitted; closing as unsuccessful.

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... that the federal government of the United States does not track school shootings in the United States? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/
- ALT1: ... that over 203 children, educators, and others have been killed in school shootings since 1999 and an additional 441 people injured? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/
- ALT2: ... that there have been 394 cases of gun violence in schools since the Columbine High School shooting in 1999? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/
- Reviewed:

Created by Khaltinner (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gun violence in U.S. schools; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Hi Khaltinner! Welcome to DYK. This page is new enough as a move-in from userspace and long enough. The nominator is quid pro quo (QPQ)-exempt. The hook facts are all in the story from The Washington Post and the article, but ALT1 is not worded well because it's 203 children alone plus other people. ALT0 (the first hook listed) and ALT2 check out and are approved.
This is a very promising start, but there are some issues with the formatting and style that need fixing to bring this closer to other encyclopedia articles, including:
- The Individual-level factors subsection's reliance on bold text as bullet points is not typical and should be restructured to not need that. Consider an intro paragraph listing the four factors and then the content from each of those four.
I am also a bit concerned that this independent WikiEdu effort might be duplicative of School shooting#United States, which frankly is eligible for being split out into its own article. I know this might seem like a lot to take in at once, but I'd also like to encourage you as an editor to join WP:DISCORD—it's full of experienced editors (like me) who would be happy to help you out. You can also reach out to me at my talk page. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Khaltinner: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination and has not responded either to the review or the requests for input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics in the lead section[edit]

There are a range of statistics in the lead section of this article that are not analysed in further detail in the body of the article. This starts with the assertion in the first sentence that Gun violence is the leading cause of death for children and teens under the age of 20 in the United States. This is misleading, as the article is about Gun violence in U.S. schools, not Gun violence against U.S. children. Additionally, the cited source says "... firearm injuries were the leading cause of death among children and teens ages 1-19 in 2020 and 2021." This statement includes all sources of injuries, including accidental ones, and says nothing about how many occurred in U.S. schools. This is an invalid synthesis of the research, because it mis-represents the research statistics purporting to say something they do not. This is a form of editorial bias.

The rest of the first couple of paragraphs also consists of statistics that are not explained elsewhere so their importance and overall relevance to the topic is unclear. If one looks at the statistics in the lead one might conclude this is not a huge problem because, on average, a person is killed in one of two incidents, and about one other person is injured, per incident. However, the title of the cited research would suggest, on average, over 90 children experience each incident. Without a comparative analysis of whether these numbers are statistically meaningful, or not, in the context of the population of school pupils in U.S. schools, it is not possible to properly quantify the extent of the problem.

The last few lead sentences do observe that there are different political and policy responses, but no assessment of how effective these responses might be. One thing that is lacking from the lead is any international comparisons about the extent of this issue in other countries. As a reader, I am left wondering if this problem is unique to U.S. schools or symptomatic of a wider problem in education or simply a subset of gun violence in the United States. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]