Talk:Grimsby/Archive 1

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1 Archive 2

Possible copyvio

Most of the last edit to this page[1] seems to be an almost identical copy from [2]. Does whoever added it have permission to use this text, if not it will be removed. G-Man 19:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

As nobody has responded to the above, the copied text has been removed G-Man 18:37, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

More early text

Is Grimsby actually twinned with either of the Dieppe towns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.121.1 (talk) 10:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC) Why is Grimsby called grimsby? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.88.105 (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

the birds eye factory produced frozen ready meals not fish fingers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.98.5 (talk) 10:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

the birds eye (unilever) factory produced frozen ready meals not fish fingers for at least the last 5 years of it's life. fish finger production continues in hull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.98.5 (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Football

I have removed about half the football section as unsourced or POV, leaving the main facts. Further detail that may be appropriate to the Grimsby Town F.C. article can be included there but is not suitable for an article on the town. BlueValour 15:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:GrimsbyDockTower4.jpg

Image:GrimsbyDockTower4.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 07:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

School?

Surely it isn't appropriate to have a section on a small school in the town? A) This is an encyclopaedia page about a town of 90 000 people with 1000 years of history, a section about a primary school with 170 pupils is irrelevant. B) It's written in an inappropriate style.

I'm not going to directly edit the page, but whoever has been doing a good job on this page should remove it in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.80.40 (talk) 15:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

New Paragraph

I'd love to accept that grimsby is a "small nation standing alone" but I've never heard that before in my life, as an expression or applied to grimsby. I have no idea what this big/small village thing means either. As far as the idea that a 21 year old has interacted with 50% of the other inhabitants, well I'd love to believe that too - so lets have it referenced, otherwise sadly we should take it off. Let's not get above ourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.22.254 (talk) 20:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit?

i don't want to edit the page, but the birds eye factory didn't produce fish fingers for at least the last 5yrs of it's life, it produced frozen ready meals.

also, the word 'boke' is very old lincolnshire dialect and not specific to grimsby (boak) but i would have no idea where to reference it. the rest of the local slang is pretty weak imo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.148.96.104 (talk) 19:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

dialect section starts off impressive enough but then becomes pretty farcical ie the lines about "we was" etc...this is hardly peculiar to Grimsby but found in many other dialects...West Country etc. Similarly the missing off of "h" at the start of words...a pointless addition as the vast majority of English dialects tend to do this...and why say just "Northern " dialects as you're hardly going to hear a Cockney for instance pronounce an "H" and last time I looked that wasn't in the "North". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.33.205 (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Parochial

Is there really any need for such petty trivia as the references to "Winsby", and various nobodies from reality TV shows? It makes Grimbarians seem extremely parochial.

Guv2006 (talk) 01:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

As someone who comes from the area, and who still has close links there, I'm inclined to say they should stay. It has always amazed me how the local paper manages to get a local connection to virtually any national or international story going, however tenuous. If you see the Grimsby Evening Telegraph as representative of the area (and it is a widely read paper by local media standards) then the success of locals in reality TV shows is important Gaffertape (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

World War Two recollection

I have moved the following personal recollection from the article Keith D 10:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

As a man born in Grimsby in 1940, I can remember my mother warning my brother and sister and me never to pick up anything, "not even a bus ticket". She was referring I learned later to the butterfly bomb. From what I remember her saying, did it fall to the ground without exploding, and was only later set off by the vibrations of someone walking towards it? My aunt, who lived a half mile from our house om Milton Road, had a next door neighbor who's husband left the house for work one morning. His bicycle wheel hit a butterfly bomb and he was blown to bits. I recall my mother says that his wife ran out of the house, hysterically picking up bits of his body. (Colin Cook, 11/1307) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.178.65 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

In reply: Vibration would set a butterfly bomb, whether indirect or direct (as in someone picking one up). They were designed to look like scrap/sharpnel and therefore be kicked to one side with horrific consequences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.225.225 (talk) 19:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Name of people from Grimsby

The referenced sentence "People from Grimsby are called Grimbarians." appears to be causing problems at the moment with an IP insisting on changing this to be "Grimmy" but without any reference for this change. Is this just a local thing or just vandalism? Can the change be referenced in some way?. Keith D (talk) 11:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Grimsby-born residents are known as Grimbarians. I am a Grimbarian still living in Grimsby and I have never known us to be called "Grimmys". GrimGary (talk) 02:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks I will continue to revert out change as vandalism. Keith D (talk)


please give references! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.174.41 (talk) 10:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The article already contains a reference to the BBC web site. I have also tagged the article for reference improvement. Keith D (talk) 10:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


Reprint of comments added to User talk:86.11.174.41, which received no response:

You wrote in your latest edit summary: "use talk if you disagree, please stop edit waring {sic}, this is your final warning." Please, follow your own advice. You have not provided any reference for this edit. You have not responded to several requests to discuss the change. At least one editor who claims to be a Grimbarian disputes it, and several editors have implied consensus by reverting it. Keith D is being polite by using the "dubious" and "fact" tags, but I am dubious enough to continue to revert. Please, discuss! This is your final warning. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 12:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
In good faith I've attempted to Google some place where "grimmy" is used in association with Grimsby, and have found nothing. In fact, the top result implies that grimmy is a derogatory term, which makes me doubt your NPOV. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

This editor appears to have returned, under new anonymous IP, to continue this disruption. I am about to violate WP:3RR to revert their latest edit, which again accuses me of "edit waring" [sic]. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Compared to about year ago, this has developed into an excellent page. Well done to the people who have worked on it. So far as the "grimmy" nonsense is concerned, never heard it before in my life - I've only ever heard "Grimbarian". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.189.5 (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Faulty link?

I'm not sure whether I'm right or not, but on my computer the third external link doesn't work anymore. Is the corresponding page offline? Should be removed in that case.--Dionysos1988 (talk) 23:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Photos and more

Hey there! I'm just working on expanding the German article of Grimsby essentially. First of all, nice to read that quite detailed article of an interesting town! Nevertheless, it's still full of gaps, and that's really a pity because I think those gaps are very important things you've to add.

  • First: Why are there almost no pictures? There should definitely be someone native to make some photos of all important stuff described in the article. I'm particularly disappointed not to see some (historical) photos of that public transport system. Furthermore, I'd be pleased to see some photos of institutions, churches etc... Anyhow, adding photos would be very helpful to all out-of-towners!
  • Second: The chapter of "Places of interest and landmarks" is definitely too short in face of all those important stuff like institutions, churches and parks. You definitely have to enlarge that.

Regards, --Dionysos1988 (talk) 01:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


Street name error.

In the Media Coverage section the article talks about the 'little amsterdam' sex shop being on Freeman Road, when it is infact Freeman Street.

[[3]]

Thanks Sazza121 (talk) 19:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

David P. Crickmore

David P. Crickmore, one time guitarist and bassist of 80's synthpop band Fiat Lux and current member of Dubervilles was "from Grimsby" (see the link).[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francodamned (talk • contribs) 04:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Scartho

The mention of the suburb of Scartho in the 1st paragraph seems a little incongruous. There are lots of suburbs which are not mentioned and seemingly no reason to specifically mention Scartho. Is there any major reason why it's there (ie. something massively significant happened in Scartho that everyone knows about but me)?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.196.15 (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Scartho, unlike the other Grimsby suburbs, has its own Wikipedia entry, so that might explain it. Guv2006 (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Kevincooper777, 1 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Add in section 6: Education, after "However, two schools nearby, outside of Grimsby, in New Waltham (Tollbar Business and Enterprise College) and Healing (Healing School) do quite well, performing notably better than all other schools in the Borough." the following:

"There is also an independent school called St James' School, which was founded in 1880 as a choir school for the local parish church and is unique in being the only choir school attached to a parish church rather than a cathedral. Pupils still receive bursaries as choristers. In the 1950s boarding was introduced, in the 1970s the school became mixed, at the end of the 1970s a sixth form was started and in 2004 the age range was extended to include two-year-olds. St James’ is now a small non-selective independent co-educational day and boarding school for two to eighteen-year-olds. The school was designated 'good with outstanding features' in its 2009 ISI inspection, with particular praise for the family atmosphere: "The quality of care, support and guidance for all pupils is outstanding. The staff know their pupils extremely well. Pupils spoke warmly about how friendly and approachable their teachers are. High quality relationships between pupils and staff and amongst pupils are a key element in creating and maintaining the caring, family ethos of the school" [2]

Please note that the above are direct quotes from the ISI report.

This is my first request for a Wikipedia edit and I accept that the full text suggested might appear excessive alongside the meagre picture given in the article re: education in the town.

Web references:

[1] http://www.saintjamesschool.co.uk/ (retrieved 1-7-10)

[2] http://www.isi.net/School.aspx?s=6986

Kevincooper777 (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

You are correct to think that the text would be excessive, as it would give undue attention to that specific school, and in the context of an article about "grimsby", it is not appropriate. The existing text in that section which you mentioned was unreferenced and made non-neutral claims, so I have removed most of it.
I have restructured the lists of schools, and marked that the section lacks references. I removed all the external links, which are inappropriate in the body-text. The lists of schools themselves are probably not appropriate anyway, per WP:NOTDIR.
Although you suggestion does include direct quotations from the report - and indeed, I'm sure it is a very good school - I'm sorry, but adding it would not be acceptable, given the lack of neutral discussion about the other schools in the area.
Perhaps you could formulate an appropriate section for 'education', using information from independent reliable sources, such as newspaper articles, etc.
For examples, I suggest you look at the education section on some good articles, for example Bridgwater, Salford, Didsbury, or others listed in Wikipedia:GA#Europe.
So, I am sorry that I could not complete your request; please ask if you have any further questions. Chzz  ►  11:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

That's fine, as I'd expected.

Can we at least keep the hyperlink to the St James' School homepage? [5]

In addition:

St James' School should be listed separately from the 'secondary schools' list, as it is a 2-18 school (perhaps under 'independent schools', along with St Martin's School, a prep school (age 3-11) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevincooper777 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I would also agree with a previous editor that the lists of schools are not appropriate for an encyclopaedia article. i suggest that they, and the list of local councillors names, be removed. btw this is evolving into an excellent piece over the last couple of years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.178.134 (talk) 21:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}}

checkY Done BejinhanTalk 14:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Cinema built in 1972 for the Whitgift School was Grimsby's only cinema until 2004

The above is misleading and makes it sound like Grimsby has never had any cinemas, try changing this to:

Cinema built in 1972 for the Whitgift School is now Grimsby's only cinema since 2004

Dhayles (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hang on a minute. Now it does sound like Grimsby has never had any cinemas before 2004. I'm cahnging this from
to
so that it is clearer. Thanks. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 229° 21' 15" NET 15:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a connection to Grimsby in Red Dwarf Series 3 Episode 4:Bodyswap, 'RIMMER: Unfortunately it's the best that's available. You can't get two weeks in the Carribean, then Grimsby is better than nothing. You can'tback out now, you said I could have it.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.117.238 (talk) 07:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Gravel-in-a-blender, 23 July 2011

Please change: The 2006 film This Is England (starring locally born actor Thomas Turgoose; born 1992) was set and filmed in Grimsby (with the storyline set in 1983), as was the television serial sequel This is England 86 - set in 1986. to The 2006 film This Is England (starring locally born actor Thomas Turgoose; born 1992) was partially set and filmed in Grimsby (with the storyline set in 1983) and other surrounding locations such as Nottingham, as was the television serial sequel This is England 86 - set in 1986.

because otherwise the text implies the entirety of the film was set/filmed in Grimsby, whilst this is not the case, as stated by several interviews, my own contact with the director, and my own residency in Nottingham (enabling me to point out several locations used in the film).

Gravel-in-a-blender (talk) 01:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Done I have made the change as requested. Keith D (talk) 09:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 4 November 2011

The book The Wrong Boy by Willy Russell heavily mentions Grimsby:

Teenager Raymond Marks has not had a charmed life. His profligate, instrument-loving father made an early exit, leaving him with a struggling mother and doting Sartre-fan grandmother. Fifteen minutes of potential glory when he saved a boy from drowning are cruelly compromised when it's discovered that the boys were near the canal indulging in what they called "flytrapping", and Raymond becomes "the precocious pervert, the evil influence, the filthy little beast". Eventually packed off to "Gulag Grimsby" at the suggestion of his despised Uncle Jason, Raymond pours out his life's woes in a series of missives to his idol, one-time Smiths' star Morrissey. 

--

The old ice factory on Grimsby Docks was used as one of the locations for the film Atonement (2007). Adapted from a novel by Ian McEwan the film stars Keira Knightley.

This is in the wrong header should be in Film and Television

Jpking88 (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Dont forget Tommy Turgoose from 'This is England'! I dont know how to change it but it should be in notable people definitely! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.87.224 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 6 November 2011‎ (UTC)

Have to got a reliable source showing he was born in Grimsby. Keith D (talk) 01:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Butterfly Bombs

In the WW2 section it says 'Grimsby was also the first place in Great Britain to have the Butterfly Bomb used against it by the Luftwaffe in 1943, devastating many areas'. As a child I remember these still being found after the war in some areas. However, these are very small (smaller than a coke can) anti-personnel device desgned to kill or injure anyone who comes into close contact with them. I therefore think it unlikely that they devastated 'large areas' of the town as they would cause very little damage to buildings. Andymars (talk) 12:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Links and other stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grimsby&diff=488578652&oldid=485698948

Re Geograph image links - most of these images are hosted on wikimedia.commons. Also linking like this [http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/626900 fish market] can be confusing, this [http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/626900 Grimsby fish market] would make more sense.

Linking to external sites is best done with "ref" tags, and proper references, rather than embedded [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsby eg not like this], since the dead links look messy and the link url contains no information to find the article..

There were some minor issues with trivia, and stuff not relaven to Grimsby, that I have removed. There are a lot of dead links, and some sections are unreferenced.Oranjblud (talk) 00:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Images

My feeling was to leave the geograph picture links as they were (as long as they weren't easter egg links . I agree it's not a good idea to have an inline link to just an image. But I'm not sure that these links to images are a good idea - although they do look different the potential for confusion betweeen Barclays Bank and Barclays Bank
Of some of the links I did remove there are images available eg fish market [6], marina [7], town hall [8], yarborough hotel [9] I think these should be images in the article anyway, due to their importance. There are multiple images to choose from. There is room for many of these in the article, were there isn't room a small gallery could be used in Grimsby#Places_of_interest_and_landmarks. I think these should go in the article as 'real' images, but there are several to choose from. There are some obvious spaces in "economy" and "transport", some images could be better chosen too.Oranjblud (talk) 13:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I've added images of the town hall, docks and fish market. There are several more landmarks that probably should be in - ice factory, yarborough hotel etc. I'll leave that to someone else, as I don't know grimsby that well.Oranjblud (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
The "landmarks" section should probably be in prose, not a list, and the "people from or associated with grimsby" could be split in the same way as done at Kingston_upon_Hull#Notable_people. Ditto the list of schools should be split (see also List of schools in Hull.Oranjblud (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Commons

For the record I made a start at tidying the commons category for Grimsby.. It's not complete, but some things should be easier to find.Oranjblud (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Locked

Why is this article locked? it goes against the whole idea of wiki, I can understand the reason for having major articles on controversial topics locked, but I don't understand why a minor article like Grimsby would be locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.15.195 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 16 April 2012‎ (UTC)

It is locked because of IPs adding incorrect name for people from Grimsby, rather than the referenced Grimbarians. As soon as it unlocked they start again. You can always request change on this page tagging with {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. You need to specify the exact changes that you want to make to the page when applying the template to this page so that the person reviewing the request can make the edit for you. You will also need to give reliable sources to support the change. Keith D (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 May 2012

Adding the Commonwealth gold medallist Amy Monkhouse to the Notable People section. I know she's from Grimsby and there a people on there which have done less. Also, typing her name into Wikipedia shows that she is in fact from Grimsby.--Adamadman (talk) 09:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Adamadman (talk) 09:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC) Adamadman

Done I have added the entry as I could find a reference for it on their wiki article. Keith D (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

New name

It is no longer Grimsby Institute for Further & Higher Education but Grimsby Institute and University Centre [[10]], Whitgift School has since become an academy under John Whitgift Academy [[11]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.69.107 (talk) 22:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done I have done the requested changes. Thanks for pointing this out. Keith D (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Politics

The article refers to Grimsby as being a Labour stronghold, with the caveat that Austin Mitchell's majority was under 1000 in 1983. Given that his again won narrowly in 2010 (majority 715, slightly less than his 731 majority in 1983), I would suggest changing "Austin Mitchell held the seat in the 1983 general election with a majority of less than 1,000" to "Austin Mitchell held the seat in the 1983 and 2010 general elections with majorities of less than 800" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.20.254.94 (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I have made the change, with minor modification to avoid use of word majorities. Keith D (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

There's a "citation required" mark in the text here - could link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Grimsby_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29 which shows both sub-800 majorities under the relevant "Elections in the" headings. Out of curiosity, why avoid the word majorities? It's the normal plural of majority, per http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/majority?q=majorities http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/majority?s=t etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ieya (talk • contribs) 17:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I did not use majorities as it did not read right as it looked like it was expecting more than 1 following figure. A cite cannot be to another wiki article but has to be a third party reliable source. The reference from that article for the 2010 election could be used but there is no reference given for the 1983 figures. If you have one then it can be added to both articles. Keith D (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Ports section reads like an advert

Please change so it isn't an advert for ABP....! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.54.187 (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 June 2013

In the history of Grimsby, a date is mentioned on the first Mayor of Grimsby as 1218. This date is wrong, The first Mayor of Grimsby was in seat in 1202, called "B, Mayor Of Grimsby"

I work at the Town Hall in Grimsby, I have seen the list of Past Mayors, it is also mentioned in this book by George Shaw - Old Grimsby : ISBN 978-1-4092-3671-9

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tSmDDJyouIIC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=list+of+Grimsby+past+Mayors&source=bl&ots=0QpauqSqVf&sig=Naf0Y7pQjVwT6K1mte13FjIiSUs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=K4CvUY3UI4K7PfvegagL&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thanks Ben Lucas Mayors Serjeant Grimsby


BennyBoo43 (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Done Thanks for informing us of the error. I have corrected this and added the reference you supplied. Keith D (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


Grimsby in the media

How come there is no mention of Atonement, which was filmed in Grimsby Docks to portray the streets of Dunkirk? ITV's Exposure: Driven From Home was also filmed in Grimsby, Kevin Clifton on Strictly Come Dancing, Tom Morrell on MasterChef Professionals and also Tesco's finest fish range advert? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.61.5 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 5 December 2013‎ (UTV)

Would need some reliable sources for this for insertion into article. Keith D (talk) 12:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Sources:

Ice House Factory used for This is England, Atonement and other films [[12]]

Kevin Clifton on Strictly: [[13]]

Driven From Home: [[14]]

Tesco finest Fish advert in Grimsby: [[15]]

And there's stories of Sacha Baron Cohen's new film titled 'Grimsby' due to his visit in the area: [[16]]

Tom Morrell: [[17]] JKing8812 (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2014

Notable people addition

Steve Currie (19 May 1947 – 28 April 1981) was born in Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire, England. He was best known as the bass player and long-term member of the English glam rock band T. Rex.[1] 81.100.89.142 (talk) 01:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Added Steve Currie, but trimmed description - no need to say he was born in Grimsby, in a list of people from Grimsby. Arjayay (talk) 12:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Imminhgam

Swedish and Finnish honorary consulates are located in Imminhgam. Or maybe Immingham.

Also, Grimbarian is spelt Codhead in the local area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.215.132.139 (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


Historic county

In the opening sentence, would it be better to say that Grimsby is in the historic county of Lincolnshire, rather than just the county of Lincolnshire. Since Grimsby is not in the current administrative county of Lincolnshire, is not covered by Lincolnshire police or fire service (or NHS Lincolnshire), and is in the Yorkshire and the Humber European region, stating it is in the county of Lincolnshire without qualification may be misleading. I appreciate local people may think of it as being in Lincolnshire, but I would suggest that does not over-ride the need to cover the complicated administrative geography of this area. 128.40.185.117 (talk) 17:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done To just state it is in Lincolnshire is factually incorrect - whatever the locals might want. Arjayay (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Maternity hospitals

The notable people section begins:

Grimbarians (natives of Grimsby) were mainly born at the former Grimsby Maternity Hospital in Second Avenue, Nunsthorpe, Grimsby. Many Grimbarians were born at the now defunct Croft Baker Maternity Hospital in nearby Cleethorpes.

It would be helpful to give the lifetimes of the two hospitals for context. I suspect it highly unlikely the hospitals existed for most of the town's history. I suggest inserting during the period xxxx to xxxx to anyone who can provide the years. While many sizeable towns and cities have their hospitals mentioned I notice no such section for Grimsby here.Cloptonson (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Immingham and Greater Grimsby

Some aspects of the article include Immingham - eg "The Port of Grimsby and Immingham is the UK’s largest port by tonnage" - there is no such thing as the "port of Grimsby and Immingham" - they are separate ports. This article is about Grimsby, and facts and statistics should be about Grimsby, which has enough history as a port in itself.

The article Greater Grimsby currently has two issues

  1. It appears to be copy pasted from another place
  2. It seems that the title at least is a neologism (see WP:NEO) - excluding the website of the same name I can't find any evidence for the name. As such it might be a candidate for deletion, though much of the content would be valid (but see point 1 above)

Prof.Haddock (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

New edit please for Freddie Frinton's entry under notable people

Will some kind person change the lettering of his TV show 'Meet The Wife' to 'Meet the Wife' so that the highlighted colour will change from 'red' to 'blue' as it should be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.233.23 (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Done and created a redirect for the other capitalisation. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 21:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 16:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Country?

Wouldn't it be informative to mention in the first sentence/paragraph that this town is in the UK? Just so it's clarified for the non-British readers too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.90.143.80 (talk) 11:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

We tend to put country in the lead for context for those not familiar with UK geography, though we would use England rather than UK. Keith D (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Grimsby Countryside--it exists, but where?

When Grimsby was made a division of Humberside in 1974, the area included what was previously the Grimsby Rural District. North East Lincolnshire was formed in 1996 from the Grimsby and Cleethorpes divisions of Humberside. But I can find no description of areas covered by Grimsby Rural District either under this article on Grimsby or the North East Lincolnshire article. Admittedly some of the parishes have their own articles, but some do not. Where can I find online an uptodate coverage of the history and governance of this outlying part of Grimsby? --Oldontarian (talk) 10:59, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Have you looked at Grimsby Rural District?Lacunae (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Is Great Grimsby archaic?

Is Great Grimsby archaic, the current name of the constituency is Great Grimsby (UK Parliament constituency).Lacunae (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 05:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 04:06, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Addition

Hello, surely Nobby should be included in the notable people, he must be the most famous Grimbarian of all now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.170.26 (talk) 17:13, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Who is Nobby? Need a reliable source before adding. Keith D (talk) 19:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Nobby is the main character of Grimsby (film), and is a fictitious character.Lacunae (talk) 20:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Nobby is one if Grimsbys most famous sons, He put Grimsby on the map for most people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.70.54 (talk) 06:40, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done Someone as famous as Nobby is too important culturally to exclude from article

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 22:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Split the article?

Objectively, I'm questioning why we have an article with two info boxes.

Subjectively, I'm recalling a mother & grandmother who, as pre/circa WWII dockworking 'Grimsby fishwives' (to my trawlermen male ancestors), would yell 'I'm from Clee!' if you dared to suggest they were from Grimsby.

Do we have an article here with Grimsby, the historic town, or Grimsby the governance zone, or Grimsby the city, that's absorbed villages like Clee as suburbs?

What is the prime focus for this article? What should be added/split off? If we need two infoboxes there's an issue.

Opinions?/Ideas? AnonNep (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Ian Huntley / Maxine Carr

These two names should NOT be published on the article page. Wikipedia will not glorify murderers. GrimGary 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


It is not a question of 'glorifying' murderers, just a statement of fact. Both Ian Huntley (the murderer) and Maxine Carr came from Grimsby and nothing can change that. If we start to use 'sensitivity' as a means of censoring information where does it end? Do we not mention the atrocities of the Nazi regime because we do not want to 'glorify' such war crimes?

Okay then, start mentioning every single murderer from every single city then. There's no need for bias now is there.

In reply: Huntley's crimes gained exceptional notority across the country. At the time of massive media attention much was made of his links to Grimsby, especially in the light of previous behaviour in the area and accusations of other offences committed there. Huntley's name is sadly in the annals of infamous murderers as perceived by the media and the general public. If you read the entry for Bradford you will see reference to Peter Sutcliffe (The Yorkshire Ripper). If you read the entry for Crumpsall you will see reference to Myra Hindley. If you request Ian Brady you will see his birthplace given as Gorbals, Glasgow. The fact Huntley comes from Grimsby is in no way a slight on the town: Like you cannot choose your family, a town cannot choose its' residents. Wikipedia is not an advertising tool, designed to promote the good aspects of any one subject. It is there to record all relevant facts, good or bad.

Ian Huntley used to live in Immingham, and attended Immingham Comp. His family lived up by the ATC. He didn't live in Grimsby untill he left school and met Maxine. I still feel though that they should be mentioned as part of the history, it would be like not mentioning Jack the Ripper in a London Bio.

No, it would be like mentioning Jack the Ripper in a Whitechapel "bio". Ooh, look: "...legendary serial killer known as 'Jack the Ripper'. These attacks caused widespread terror in the district and throughout the country..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitechapel Guv2006 (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

They were called the Soham Murders, not the Somebody-Who-Once-Lived-In-Grimsby-Did-Them Murders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.1.52 (talk) 17:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 8 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2017

"Blundell Park has the oldest stand in English professional football, the Main Stand. It was first opened in 1899"

The Main Stand was actually opened in 1901

Change "It was first opened in 1899" to "It was first opened in 1901"

References: http://openbuildings.com/buildings/blundell-park-profile-17035 http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/eng/blundell_park http://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-two/blundell-park-grimsby-town.html 1901MainStand (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 20:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

1901MainStand (talk) 06:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2017

Regarding the two usages of the term 'post-industrial' in the text, surely this is not accurate - surely 'de-industrial' is the more accurate term. The reason being that the economic context is one of decline rather than growth. Saying 'post-industrial' suggests economic growth in a technocratic manner; but saying 'de-industrial' suggests economic decline because of the collapse of industry that has not yet been replaced by a 'post-industrial' economy. Therefore, I would recommend changing the 'post-' to a 'de-' in those two instances. 148.197.97.45 (talk) 09:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Post-industrial seems to be the term used on other Wikipedia articles to refer to the state of an economy whose manufacturing sector has declined relative to what it was in the past, e.g. post-industrial economy and post-industrial society; while deindustrialization seems to refer to the actual process of manufacturing decline. Please don't interpret this as a firm "no"; this talk page is the place for building consensus, and if consensus is to change to "de-industrial" then the edit would be appropriate at that time. —KuyaBriBriTalk 17:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Please change 'post-industrial' to 'de-industrial'

—KuyaBriBri has responded to my initial request to change the term 'post-industrial' to 'de-industrial', saying that more consensus needs to be built up in order to effect a change. Here's my reply to what KuyaBriBri said in order to make a stronger case. Go onto Google Books and search for the term 'post-industrial cities' - and you will come across a wealth of literature on the most highly-advanced cities in the world. The meaning of the term 'post-industrial' refers not merely to a city that has had a decline in its manufacturing sector, but where that decline has also been accompanied by a marked growth in the service sector. The meaning of the term 'de-industrial', by contrast, refers to a city that has had a decline in its manufacturing sector but where that economic decline has not been accompanied by service sector growth - so that, therefore, a city experiences a general economic decline. Grimsby has experienced de-industrialisation without an accompanying economic growth in its service sector - and as such it cannot be classified as a 'post-industrial economy'. If there are Wikipedia articles on equivalent cities like Grimsby that have experienced de-industrial decline without post-industrial growth, and the term 'post-industrial' is being used in this articles instead of 'de-industrial', then I would also recommend changing the term 'post-industrial' to 'de-industrial' in these other Wikipedia articles as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.197.97.45 (talk) 14:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done It is not the responsibility of volunteer editor to go to Google and find answer for your proposed change. It is your responsibility see WP:BURDEN  — Ammarpad (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Protection

Why on earth is this page locked/protected?. someones vanity project? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.172.34 (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Because of continual vandalism, especially over Grimbarian. Keith D (talk) 20:01, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Time to unlock this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.165.183 (talk) 00:37, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 9 external links on Grimsby. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2018

there is a champio that chpould be champion 2605:E000:9149:A600:C8C:57FD:B787:149A (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

 Fixed :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:53, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Protected

Why is the article protected? it could do with some updating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.96.38.37 (talk) 20:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

It is protected because of IP editors keep changing the article especially the Grimbarian reference. Keith D (talk) 23:01, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Its time to remove the protection, it discourages casual readers from making contributions the article so badly needs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.161.133 (talk) 01:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
The above comment was made by a vandal.Lurking shadow (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Vandals are easy to deal with, especially single article/single issue type vandals, locking down a whole article for years because of one moron is itself moronic. 82.27.28.35 (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019

This sentence has a comma splice.

Franklin College is a sixth form college located in Grimsby, while the Grimsby Institute offers further and higher education courses mostly for vocational courses, the Institute achieves respectable examination results at all levels of adult education.

Please replace one of the commas with periods. If you replace the first comma, please also add "also" before "achieves." 208.95.51.53 (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Decline of fishing industry

"Following the pressures placed on the industry during the Cod Wars, and the European Union's Common Fisheries Policy which distributes fishing quotas from what would have been British waters to other EU nations".

The bolded part of this statement is contentious at best. Whilst it is true that the CFP hasn't necessarily served the UK's fishing industry very well, the statement here is a gross simplification of the matter. It should be mentioned that the British government has played a major role in selling British fishing quotas to other EU nations. Also pertinent is that the UK MEP tasked with representing Britain's fishing interests within the European Parliament refused to do their job.

As it stands the statement is a reductive half-truth. What's worse is that this misleading narrative is widely believed in places such as Grimsby. It is important that the people of such places direct blame at all parties responsible, rather than letting those of particular political persuasions use means such as Wikipedia articles to disseminate specious points to further their own agendas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.134.23 (talk) 01:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Grimsby/Archive_1&oldid=1091476131"