Talk:Greenville, Texas

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Crime Problem[edit]

While the trafficking of meth through Greenville is certainly occurring, its noteworthiness in the Greenville article is lessened due to the fact that I seriously doubt there is anything documented by any official source regarding a higher-than-average frequency of meth busts in the vicinity of Greenville along the highways mentioned.

Also, I'd like to see some proof that Greenville's crime rate is adversely impacted by the fact that it is merely along a route that drug-traffickers use. As the article stands, there is a problem with that factoid. I imagine most narcotraffickers just keep on driving and don't stop to cause crimes. If the article mentioned that the meth was being manufactured or being sold in Greenville, then that would be different.

Also, Greenville had an extremely high murder rate in 2004 (about 47.4 per 100,000), but simply had slightly above-average murder rates for other years (including 2005).

The crime section needs cleaned up or deleted. It just seems a bit amateurish and has no data to back it up.

The Famous Lee Street Sign[edit]

I grew up in and around Greenville in the 1940's and 1950's, moving away in 1965. Even though the sign was always there, I never knew anyone who thought it to be a racial slur. The "whitest people" idea was taken from an old southern slogan - "that's mighty white of you." The context meaning nice, not white as in the caucasian race.

Some locals were disturbed that the sign was taken down. In the late 1960's the slogan was changed to the Blackest Land, the Nicest People. Small signs were placed at the city limit markers on Interstate 30, but it never caught on, and was eventually dropped altogether. A picture postcard of the sign in the 1930's is posted under Images. LarryMack (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent contribution, Larry. I suppose that it was decided to put a dedication to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on the former site of one of those signs on I-30? It is between Exits 89 and 93 on the eastbound service road. I never could figure out the meaning of that sign, but I imagine, due to what you stated, that one of those god-awful signs used to be there. It may not have been intended to be racist, and it would be a lie in that context (Greenville has always had a higher-than-national-average percentage of non-white folks); I guess it implied that those people did not exist (or the city wished they didn't). Absolutely awful. Enough dwelling on the past, though; let's look to a future of equality, inclusion, and dialogue, which Greenville seems to be attempting wholeheartedly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.34.70 (talk) 08:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Upthegrove[edit]

Two men of Greenville bore this name. A father and a son, both were attorneys practicing law in Greenville. The father's name is on the plaque dedicated to those who brought the first railroad to Greenville in 1880. The son born in 1871 became President of the St. Louis Southwestern Railway in 1922 and served until his retirement in 1946. I've found the Carol Taylor Upthegrove article here http://carolctaylor.com/Upthegrove%20Family.pdf . And railroad references here http://www.oocities.org/thetropics/8199/d_upgrove.html and here http://www.ttarchive.com/Library/Articles/Cotton-Belt_80-Years-Progress.html . There is almost enough information for a biograpy in these links. --SSW9389 11:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm assembling the necessary information to write a wiki page on Daniel Upthegrove. He presided over the most tumoltuous time in Cotton Belt history. The railroad likely earned revenue upwards of $500M during his tenure. During Upthegrove's tenure the railroad was sold by the Gould Family to the Rock Island Railroad, then sold again to the Kansas City Southern, then sold again to New York Investors and finally sold to the Southern Pacific in 1932. Cotton Belt went bankrupt in 1935. Upthegrove oversaw the rebuilding of the line post WW1, the conversion to oil fuel on the southern part of the Cotton Belt, the establishment of the Blue Streak Merchandise fast freight train and modernization during the later part of the Great Depression and into WW2. This included new super power steam in the form of 20 L1 northerns, initial application of ABS and then CTC to the mainline, air conditioned passenger cars, and the beginning of dieselization during WW2. Thousands of employees worked for this railroad. Upthegrove saw the Cotton Belt through some very rough times and kept the company together. Cotton Belt emerged from bankruptcy in the Summer of 1947 shortly after Upthegrove retired. At the time it is the only Class 1 railroad that was not financially reorganized when it terminated its bankruptcy. Upthegrove is easily the most influential man ever born in Greenville, Texas. I'm contacting Dr. James Conrad, former head of the Special Collections Library at TAMU-Commerce for help in contacting Carol Taylor. They both helped with my first book and will help with Upthegrove's biography.--SSW9389 16:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if it would be helpful, but I could probably put you in touch with some of his descendants Dsigned (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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another dark racist chapter in Greenville's history, the public execution of Ted Smith by a mob in 1908[edit]

This story from the Herald Banner, the newspaper from Greenville documents a tragic and dark moment for the city in 1908 where a teenage black man name Ted Smith was publicly executed by a mob of mostly white people after he was accused of raping a 16 year old white woman named Viola Delancey. they dragged him though parts of what is now downtown Greenville and burned him alive in what is now known as Washington Street. now it doesn't matter if he was innocent or guilty, all is known, is Greenville has a mostly white population and has had a racist history, especially with the "Whitest folks" sign.

https://www.heraldbanner.com/news/the-day-greenville-murdered-ted-smith/article_8778209c-d076-11eb-baab-ab7c8fde8a83.html

this is a dark chapter in Greenville/Hunt County, Texas history and this is the first i have heard about it since i was born in 1985 and spent most of my life in Hunt County, Texas. Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 05:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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