Talk:Gillian Triggs

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WP:COI editing of this article[edit]

User:Pigsonthewing's real name is disclosed on his user page. On 25-28 September 2018 User:Pigsonthewing and Gillian Triggs were both keynote speakers at a conference:[1]. User:Pigsonthewing's first edit to this page was on 26 September 2018, in the middle of the conference. I assert that per WP:EXTERNALREL, User:Pigsonthewing has edited this article with a conflict of interest. I invite User:Pigsonthewing to revert their changes to this article. --Surturz (talk) 02:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am fully conversant with Wikipedia's COI policy, and my conflicts of interest are declared on my user page and/ or in edit summaries or talk page posts.
I did indeed give a closing keynote address at the two-day Australian Society of Archivists conference (the day after Triggs' opening keynote; to the best of my knowledge, she was not present on the second day), as part of a month-long 2018 speaking tour undertaken as a Wikimedia volunteer and also disclosed on my user page.
I was also one of several volunteers staffing a Wikimedia Australia outreach desk at the conference's associated exhibition.
While working the desk, I approached Triggs (as I did for several other speakers and dignitaries at the event, and others on the tour) and asked her to allow me to record a sample of her spoken voice, as part of the "Voice Intro Project", which recording I immediately added to her article (where it persists); just as I have done for dozens of article subjects whose voices I have recorded.
In adding the file, I noticed material in her article which was not appropriate, and removed it. Again, I usually improve article content when adding recordings of the subject's voice, or photographs I have taken.
I have no "relationship" with Triggs, and have never spoken with her or otherwise been in contact with her before or after that single encounter. I owe her no fealty.
WP:EXTERNALREL deals with "When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role". That does not apply in this case.
I have no conflict of interest with regard to Triggs. Sururz's assertion that I do is a falsehood, and failure to assume good faith.
Surturz makes their assertion with no evidence save that we both happened to participate in an event attended by hundreds of people.
Surturz fails to disclose that we are in a content dispute, because they wish to restore the material I have removed from the article, and I have rejected their insistence - contrary to policy - that I should "discuss this removal first".
Surturz makes no argument that the material I removed belongs in the article. It is prurient, fails WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP, and tells us nothing about Triggs' career.
I will not be reverting my edits.
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the explanation. I accept there is no WP:COI. Thank you for your work on the Voice Intro Project, it is a worthwhile addition to the project. I didn't need to disclose our content dispute, as the chat archive already contains my arguments for keeping the material. Your assertion that "Surturz makes no argument that the material I removed belongs in the article" is untrue, as the chat archive contains my arguments in favour of keeping the content. You must have been aware of my reasons for keeping the content, as it is you that archived the chat and it is also you that removed part of that discussion citing NPA vio. This is evidence that you read my comments at the time. I will assume that you have since forgotten that the debate existed.
If Triggs had an adopted child, we would not think it controversial to include the fact that her child was adopted, as a notable fact. Similarly, I argue that Triggs fostering out one of her children is notable. I'm happy to jettison the lengthy quote. Can I suggest the following text (additional text is bold):
Their third child, a daughter named Victoria, was born in 1984, profoundly disabled and with a short life expectancy due to a chromosome abnormality known as Edwards syndrome. Another family took over primary care of Victoria so Triggs could care for her other children. Victoria died at the age of 21.
What do you think? --Surturz (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I said what I think, above: "It is prurient, fails WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP, and tells us nothing about Triggs' career". I note that, in the discussion archived three years ago, other people have also told you why this personal information - which you have been trying to shoehorn into this article for over six years is not appropriate for inclusion in the article, and why. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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