Talk:George Jackson Churchward

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I'm a little disappointed by this article, in two respects. Firstly, there is no mention of Churchward's purchasing and importing of French Atlantic Compound locomotives, and his careful analysis of the benefits and drawbacks of the compound design, and of the wheel layout (compared with his preferred 4-6-0). Secondly, there is no mention of his one Pacific, no. 111 ("The Great Bear") - with its limited track availability and loading gauge problems, or otherwise. I hope these might be mentioned in some future revision. Unfortunately, I am presently unable to do the additions myself. Hair Commodore 19:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd been planning to do this on the Star class page, but it could well sit better here. It might be a while, so don't hold back! --Old Moonraker 21:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have added a piece of trivia to the article, regarding an incident between Churchward and the GWR's directors. I have a source for this, but I'm not sure how to add references to an article. It comes from the book "British Steam Railways - A History of Steam Locomotives - 1800 to the Present Day" by David Ross. If someone could tell me how to add this reference, I will gladly do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.36.112 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the contribution! I've added a reference from a book I had to hand rather than the one you gave, which I haven't seen. Because it's already in the references section, I was able to use a simple harvard reference. Follow the link for suggestions for all methods of referencing. Having read that, you should be in a position to substitute your reference for mine if you want.

See here for suggestions regarding trivia sections.

A quick way to sign is just to type four tildes, like this: ~~~~ Old Moonraker 05:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to Hair Commodore's comments, I would suggest some reference to Churchward's freight engines, especially his 2-8-0s and 2-8-0 tanks, which were very long-lived, and his superb mixed-traffic 2-8-0s of class 47xx. Also how about a reference to the article Steam Locomotives of the Great Western Railway which lists all the separate articles on Churchward's designs? Thank-you for the article. 8474tim (talk) 23:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait[edit]

I feel a portrait of this man could help give people researching him for whatever reason a boost in the matter, there are plenty of photographs of him as well as photographs of him on the page on Stoke Gabriel Church, the church of the city he was born and presumably raised. 2A02:C7C:7B32:1B00:2CCD:6458:42BA:9EA0 (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stoke Gabriel Church: G J Churchward page.

Indeed, but who owns the copyrights to those pictures? We can't just copy them without determining if they are out of copyright or in the public domain. Perhaps you could contact the page's author (apparently related to GJC?) and ask. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 21:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well these photographs were taken several years ago (pre-1933) so any original copyright is already voided, I have not yet seen any copyright markers about him so far but mind you I will double check before I go further and he is a relative through my grandmother who is ever-knowledgable about both him and others, if any group owned his copyright as far as I can see it would be the Great Western Railway which was nationalised in 1948 2A02:C7C:7B32:1B00:2CCD:6458:42BA:9EA0 (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The date the photo was taken is not relevant - it is the date of first publication that counts. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A cropped version of the b/w portrait was published in the 1935 booklet Swindon Works and its place in Great Western History. All else being equal, images in that work come out of copyright in 2030 - 95 years after publication. However, if the photographer is known, then I believe the date is the year of the photographer's death plus 70 (and in the meantime, copyright vests in the photographer). Additionally, if the photograph was commissioned (eg by the GWR or GJC) then copyright vests instead with the commissioner. Ownership of a picture does not convey copyright to that picture. If it has been published in the US, then there is another layer of complication. Visit Commons:FAQ#Copyright_questions and welcome to the rabbit hole. (NB: posted from memory - do not rely on these statements without checking!) -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 22:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]