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A fact from Georg Forchhammer appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 October 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1903, Georg Forchhammer invented a system to help his deaf students see the sounds of spoken Danish?

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Johannes Georg had several brothers. Viggo, (my mother's father), was a university teacher. Ejner was the famous tenor. Bo Jacoby (talk) 12:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

I've listed them - am planning to rewrite this article, so just replying in case you're interested. What a coincidence that a relative is a Wikipedian! Frzzl talk; contribs 21:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 20:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Johannes Georg Forchhammer → Georg Forchhammer – Fernbom2 (talk) 18:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - no reason given by requestor. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looking through gscholar, it seems the proposed title is the clear common name. Jenks24 (talk) 12:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 15:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 1903, Georg Forchhammer invented a system to help his deaf students see the sounds of spoken Danish? Source: Ghari, Zohreh (2017). "Variations in the Baghcheban Manual Alphabet in Iranian Sign Language". Sign Language Studies. 18 (1): 90. ISSN 0302-1475.
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5x expanded by Frzzl (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Georg Forchhammer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Interesting article on fine sources, Danish sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I find the hook interesting. - In the article, I think we don't need a link to Southern Germany, when the more precise Bavaria comes in the next sentence. I'd put the quote box right (not left) for less interruption of the prose, and of the many short sentences beginning with his name, I'd combine some, and let some others begin with "He". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your comments! I've made all recommended adjustments. Frzzl talk; contribs 21:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Georg Forchhammer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 16:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

This well-written and well-cited article seems to cover the main points simply and clearly, so I only have a few minor comments to make.

Lead: "mouth–hand systems, an approach to manually coded languages" --- the two links point to the same article, so remove one of them.

"device that used flames to show vowel quality": this interesting and bizarre claim seems well worth following up, and it might be the most interesting DYK fact about Forchhammer, but it's not cited or present in the article body. It needs to be repeated, explained, and cited down there, and it would be really nice to have a diagram or photo of the device too.
- I haven't been able to find any images of it. Also, it's just a rephrasing of He was the inventor of the phonoscope, a device similar to the stroboscope; his device was created in 1885, and was used to demonstrate to deaf students whether the vowel they were making was correct using a gas flame and rotating drum. later in the article. Perhaps "flames" needs to be changed to "a flame"? - F
  - I suggest you directly quote (and attribute) the phrase naming the instrument and stroboscobe, and the bit about the flame and the rotating drum, as it's totally obscure as it stands.
    - Done so - I found a source better describing how it worked, so I've fleshed it out a bit. It pretty much seems like an analog strobe tuner to me, so I added an image of a digital one to illustrate its function as best possible without an image of the original. - F

Career: "Forchhammer advocated an imitative style of language teaching, which had a diminished importance of pronunciation in speech production." Hm, perhaps "which gave less importance to" would read better.
- changed to "which lent less importance to" - F

Career: "which had the effect of improving understanding of language, but reducing ability of self expression in it." Perhaps "but reduced students' ability to express themselves." or something of that sort.

Other work: "Forchhammer was also a phonetician, constructing a three-dimensional vowel chart with axes of tongue height, roundedness, and place of articulation. He also ..." Probably cut both the "also"s here.

"although not adopted in other Scandinavian countries,[28] was adapted to the German language": doesn't read well with the two similar-sounding verbs. Perhaps "not taken up by other Scandinavian..." would work better. I'm not too sure about "adapted" here either, as it could be read as meaning "was [in fact] better adapted/suited to ... German [while being rubbish for Scandinavian]", whereas what seems to be intended is "was modified for use with German". Perhaps say that.

"in these fora" => "in these forums"; "fora" is best restricted to Roman marketplaces.

Ido should be wikilinked in article body.
- Done all above - F

Images seem to be properly licensed.

Spot-checks on sources are ok. I fixed a typo in one ref.

I'm not convinced that we need relatives in the infobox.
- Removed individuals, kept the link to the overall family, which I'll probably create at some point - F

Great work, it's a GA. If you'd fancy reviewing one of mine, of course I'd be delighted. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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