Talk:Gazebo

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Anecdote

I removed this anecdote from the article:

A very well-known Role Playing Game anecdote, known as the "Tale of Eric and the Dread Gazebo", features a player who is dumbfounded by the Game Master's description of a nearby gazebo as he doesn't know what a gazebo is. Convinced that he has encountered some sort of monster, he queries the bewildered game master for its specifics in meticulous detail then proceeds to attempt wounding it with an arrow (and, obviously, fail). By the end of the encounter the player, lacking the means to harm a gazebo, opts to flee in desperation; the frustrated Game Master responds that "It's too late. You've awakened the Gazebo; It catches you and eats you."^[1]

bogdan 17:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a well known anecdote in its particular subculture. Maybe it doesn't deserve quite so much space in the article, but I think it should stay. 172.201.93.201 15:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

And yet people keep deleting it from the article with no discussion... I'm putting it back in. It's at least as important as the "Sound of Music" reference. If someone wants to provide a briefer version, I won't object, but please stop removing it wholesale. 172.141.207.180 07:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I came here looking for the exact reference -- keep it! Fantusta 07:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

And yet again, deleted without discussion under the guise of a clean up. I have left a message on the user's talk page. This anecdote is practically universally known in its own subculture and has appeared in print multiple times, beginning in 1985 in the APA Alarums and Excursions, in the Mensa Bulletin of June 1989... it's as old as the internet. We're not talking about Brian Peppers or the Ultimate Showdown here. This is an anecdote that has been told and retold for over 20 years. I don't want to get into an edit war here, so I have not restored the anecdote. Yet. I will do so within the week unless the user who removed it provides a better version. 172.142.236.237 01:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia article about gazebos. A little story about a role playing game that mentions gazebos doesn't add anything to the article. In fact, it is a distraction from it. If the anecdote is notable in some way, it really should have a separate article. It simply doesn't belong here. Perhaps the bit of Sound of Music trivia should go too. Deli nk 13:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair comment. Sound of Music trivia removed. I'll get around to the seperate article as soon as I work out how to set up a disambiguation page for the three Gazebo articles we will now have. 172.142.236.237 18:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I too came here looking for that anecdote. Where is it? I wanted to tell someone about it and figured it should be on wikipedia as a reference, But I do not see it. This is an encyclopedia after all, right? I don't think it is notable to have it's own article, but it should be in this one. 202.150.116.50 04:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The sound of music reference seems really out of place. If you're going to put a reference like that in here, provide a little more background and perhaps explain what the scene is portraying if it's not a gazebo? Is this the only gazebo misconception? If so I think this statement should also be removed: "There are many misconceptions about gazebos" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.200.12 (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I added a reference to another article (Eric and the Gazebo) in the See Also: section. That shouldn't ruffle any feathers - and if it does, someone is taking their garden structures a bit too seriously. Steneub 21:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The only problem being, that article doesn't exist, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.40.144 (talk) 20:02, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Name

So where does the word come from ? -- Beardo 06:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Sides

My wife and I have debated the number of sides a gazebo must have. I say it must have greater than or equal to five. That is, a four sided structure, while in many ways similar to a gazebo, is not in fact a gazebo. This article seems to suggest that any roofed outdoor free standing structure is a gazebo. That gazebo is a very unspecific word. Thoughts? Huckfinne (talk) 17:57, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Reverted merge with Bandstand

I reverted a bold page merge with Bandstand, as they don't feel like a good fit, though some bandstand structures may be similar to some gazebos. I'm thinking if anything, the merge might go the other way, with some bandstands being particularly-purposed gazebos, but I think the two are distinct enough that bandstand (the acoustic device, in all its possible forms) merits its own article and should stay and be developed (it needs inline citations badly and a more global treatment). This article can also benefit from expansion, improvement, more citations, etc. I'll work on this one a little. duff 06:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think 2 articles wont qualify to become FA or even GA, but together they can. I just googled to see bandstand has 1.7m hits while gazebo has 9m hits. So it is better we merge bandstand article into this one. Piano no who (talk) 03:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Either or both may indeed qualify, with even a casual effort at development, and both will benefit from separate improvement. Please add more details and better citations to one or both, and let's see if we can't make them both good articles, for a start. duff 06:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It is grossly unfair to ask others to put effort with "details and citations", wielding your revert power. Be careful with your words before demanding free labor. 03:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

oh, pshaw. We are all free laborers, and I did indeed invest some effort on more citations and details. Be careful with your own words and please remember to sign your comments with 4 tildes. duff 08:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted what looked like a 2nd merge attempt. There's some overlap between gazebos and bandstands certainly, but bandstands are characterised by at least some pretence of being a venue for a band performance, something that's no essential part of a gazebo. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

how to pronounce

still unclear 178.19.234.231 (talk) 08:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC) g'ZEEboh, definitely. People who say gaze-y-boo are making a tired little joke. Bmcln1 (talk) 08:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

English isn't my native language and I'd really like to know. I made a few virtual voices pronounce it, of which all pronounced it as [gəziːboʊ]. Most put the accent on 'ze', while there are a few that put it on 'bo'. Benimation (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Alambra?

Our article says that "alhambra" is a kind of gazebo. I can't find any reference to the word "alambra" being related to a gazebo. Online searches turn up only the greek city of Alampra (which has an alternative spelling with a 'b' in it) and several other place-names spelled "Alhambra" with an 'h'. Online dictionaries seem to have no definition for that word. Are we sure this is correct? SteveBaker (talk) 12:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Gazebo including pergola?

The article states that a pergola is a type of gazebo. However pergolas have no walls, floor, or roofing, and provide no shelter short of some partial shade. As such I don't think it should be counted as a gazebo. Is there some sort of official reference to back up the claim that a pergola is a gazebo? If not I think it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.200.12 (talk) 13:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Gregorio Franchetti

In one episode (5x13 "Jenkins") of the sit-com "How I Met Your Mother" the protagonist Ted Mosby says that the Architect Gregorio Franchetti is the person who designed the Gazebo. Does anyone know if it is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.39.222.106 (talk) 10:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be a joke. From IMDB:
During a lecture to his architecture class, Ted explains "...he is only remembered for one thing, that my friends is the sad legacy of Gregorio Franchetti Gazebo," as he shows a slide of a gentleman (circa 1900) in front of a gazebo. Gregorio Franchetti is a friend of Josh Radnor who plays Ted, and is credited as Assistant to Director in the film Happythankyoumoreplease (2010) which was directed by Josh Radnor.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1570155/trivia
Ml66uk2 (talk) 14:05, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Image of Gazebo from the original book: Rural Architecture in the Chinese Taste

I uploaded the plate from their book to illustrate:

The word gazebo was used by British architects John and William Halfpenny in their book Rural Architecture in the Chinese Taste (1750). Plate 55 of the book “Elevation of a Chinese Gazebo” shows “a Chinese Tower or Gazebo, situated on a Rock, and raised to a considerable Height, and a Gallery round it to render the Prospect more complete”.

Here it is:

However not sure how or whether to fit it into the article which already has many Gazebo illustrations. At any rate here it is if useful. Robert Walker (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

It's certainly a fine picture. Thanks for the chance to see it. Bmcln1 (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Holhuashi

The placement of Holhuashi was discussed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holhuashi and the result there was to Merge/Redirect to either beach hut or Gazebo. I don't think beach hut is a good choice because a beach huts are usually enclosed storage buildings. Gazebos are open on all sides, and used primarily by people to shelter from the sun. A Holhuashi is another type of such structure. The article already includes other variants such as kiosks and Belvederes from other cultures. Holhuashi is another type specific to the Maldives. I merged a summary from the old article and added a reference. There is no reason for reverting this addition of sourced material. MB 01:05, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I think if you wanted to start adding foreign-language equivalents of "gazebo", you would have to begin with Chinese and work downwards. Lord save us from that. I don't see that the existence of half a dozen beach huts that resemble gazebos in the Maldives is relevant to this article. We shouldn't go into that degree of detail here. Perhaps the Maldives page would be more appropriate. Bmcln1 (talk) 10:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

The article already goes into "foreign-language equivalents". Kiosk is Turkish or Persian. Belvedere is Italian. The article talks about Gazebos in Chinese and Persian literature. Adding another variant is entirely appropriate. In fact, we have a template for this:

The article is quite small and certainly not too large to add a few sentences. There is absolutely no reason why additions "have" to be made in any order as you suggest. Remember, WP is a Work In Progress. The article already clearly attempts to discuss any and all structures that are similar to gazebos and this is another one. Your object seems to be based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT rather than any policy. MB 23:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

"Kiosk" and "belvedere" have been adopted as English words. Holhuashi or Holhusahi (you seem uncertain how to spell it) has not. My objection is not to the holhuashis themselves, but to their irrelevance to the page. The islands concerned form a very small country indeed with a population of less than 400,000 and far distant from the others discussed on the Gazebo page. To my knowledge Dhivehi has not contributed this word to the English language, or any other, for that matter. The Maldives page is the place for your information. I've now said what I need to say. Perhaps we should let others contribute if they feel inclined. If nobody does, the procedure is to leave the page as it is. Bmcln1 (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

"Kiosk" has been adopted as an English word with a different meaning - a vending booth. The original meaning for a Gazebo-like structure is not used in the Western world. While "belvedere" has made it into English, according to its article, it is a lot less like a Gazebo than is a Holhuashi. A Rotunda is any round building or room - also less like a Gazebo than a Holhuashi. Then there is "alhambras", which according to the four-year old comment above, is totally unsourced and possibly inaccurate.

As far as your comment that Holhuashi is not an English word, I fail to see the point. The article is about a type of structure and giving a world-wide view is appropriate. Gazebos in the Maldives should not be excluded from this article because they go by a different name there. Your claim about there being a "half-dozen" Hohuashis is unsubstantiated; please stick to facts. I find your comment about my typo in spelling (since fixed) to be a bit snarky, please don't be rude and assume good faith.

Since we have not found concensus and there appear to be no other editors watching this page, I have requested a third opinion MB 17:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

You were the one who brought up "kiosk" and "belvedere". Sorry, I thought you had said there were about six holhuashis, but I've looked back and you didn't. I notice, though, that their function appears to be different. I don't think gazebos are normally used as village gathering places. Please mark any citation shortcomings in the present text using {{citation needed}} Perhaps the use of "kiosk" for "gazebo" should be explained. The kiosk page has the details, which could be brought over in some form if you feel it's necessary. Bmcln1 (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request :

I have taken a third opinion request for this page and am currently reviewing the issues. I shall replace this text shortly with my reply. I have made no previous edits on Gazebo and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. 68.233.214.74 (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)@MB and Bmcln1:I think MB is right here–stick to facts. Other different gazebos should be included. 68.233.214.74 (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I've referred to the existence of holhuashis in the Maldives and added a note to the word "kiosk" giving its meanings.Bmcln1 (talk) 18:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Where did gazebos come from?

it would be great if there were a section about the history of gazebos. 128.135.98.165 (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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