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MPhil Thesis[edit]

Came across a M. Phil. thesis on the subject that is pretty much the example of how not to write one. Wasted opportunities. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prim. source[edit]

Autobio of 5th Dalai Lama. TrangaBellam (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think Shkabpa and Phuntsho cover enough of this material. I am pretty well convinced that the Great Fifth was trying to build an empire as well as to scrub out the rival sects. And Bhutan was trying to do the same, on a smaller scale. It was funny to read how both Tibet and Bhutan were both claiming the Lepcha territory as theirs. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So am I. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Location of the fort[edit]

TrangaBellam, Here is where Google Maps says the fort is. This matches the description given in Mullard that it "commands a ridge". If Ardussi has given another location, either he is wrong (not all scholars are good with cartography) or, if you think it is worthwhile, you can put it in the content with attribution to him. Incidentally, you can use the {{coord}} template to indicate coordinates without having to link to some mapping provider. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kautilya3, he visited the site with Mullard in 2008, when he got the coordinates measured. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

N. 27° 08' 25.08 sec. by E. 88° 36' 35.6 sec. is what he notes - obvious that he was using some ultra-precision GPS device. How his cartographic experience would have mattered any? TrangaBellam (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anyways, I will confirm if some inadvertent typo has creeped in. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you change 36' to 35', you get to roughly the correct location. The current coordinates are pointing to a farmland on a hillslope! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereignty[edit]

TrangaBellam, this footnote seems unfinished? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, let me get back to the source. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I will be glad if you can manage to replace Phuntsho's citations with more reliable academic sources. And Draft:Prince Tsangma might interest you. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:11, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shakabpa footnote[edit]

Shakabpa^[1] has a long footnote 65, in which he quotes a text called History of Bhutan, which says:

During Desi Mingyur Tenpa’s time, Zhelngo Achok [Achyok], the chief of the three regions of Mön, between Tegong Pass in the west [east?] and the Rangchu River, appealed to Ganden Podrang for support.

The Tegong Pass is further east, bordering the Haa Valley, and Rangchu is apparently what we call Rangpo Chu, the eastern tributary of Teesta that flows down from Nathu La (but thought of as the main branch of Teesta that flows around Kalimpong all the way to Brahmaputra).

So, there were three regions of Mon, of which only two are included in the Kalimpong district, viz., (1) Damsang/Kalimpong in the west (2) Daling in the centre. The third one could have been Tendu/Tendruk/Tendung, which was burnt down by the Dalai Lama.

This region kept changing hands till 1718, when Chakdor Namgyal got killed through a medical mishap and then Bhutan annexed it for the last time. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shakabpa, One Hundred Thousand Moons (2009), pp. 377-378.

Kautilya3 (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do not trust these texts on exact geographies. Various kind of "secondary" sources, in vernacular, give different estimates of Achyok's territories, despite being (likely) drafted in the same century. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTEShakabpa,_One_Hundred_Thousand_Moons2009[httpsbooksgooglecoukbooksidlGyrymfDdI0CpgPA377_377-378]-1] Shakabpa, One Hundred Thousand Moons (2009), pp. 377-378.

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