Talk:Florida Four

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A quick search on findarticles returns many sources, and The Guardian also returns sources. One Night In Hackney 13:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone's name in the newpaper does not make them notable. Astrotrain 13:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge[edit]

Given that all four members have the same boilerplate article, I propose they are all merged into one all-encompassing article, such as Florida Four. One Night In Hackney 13:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging to a Arms smuggling by the IRA page to cover all smuggling activities rather than this minor one. Astrotrain 13:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The level of press coverage clearly shows it isn't minor. Please don't let your well documented anti-IRA bias interfere with editorial decisions. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 14:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an anti-IRA bias. I am commenting on the notability of these people- they appear to be simple smugglers and could be noted in a more detailed IRA arms article rather than a small unreferenced stub. Astrotrain 14:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with a possibly merge to Florida Four - like the Colombia Three. But it any of them were involved in other opertions then they should be mentioned in the new Florida Four article and have their own article - like Jim Lynagh.--Vintagekits 14:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If they are notable enough for their own articles they can be created at a later date, that isn't a problem. One Night In Hackney_IRA 14:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. As long as the edit histories are not lost.--Vintagekits 14:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With reply to the out of place comment by Astrotrain, the article is sourced - [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], and as evidenced above there are ample more sources available. One Night In Hackney_IRA 15:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notifying me about the discussion - I think that this is productive dialogue. I see merit in merging them into one article on "Florida Four". I think the case was noteworthy and warrants its own page (instead of merged into a larger article). I think the merged page ("Florida Four..."?) would be linked to the larger arms smuggling page. That's my $0.02. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 15:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can I just point out that although he was acting in good faith, Vintagekits can't just copy and paste the text of one article into a new Florida Four article like he has done, that messes up the GDFL. I'll request a speedy deletion for the new page until this is settled. One Night In Hackney_IRA 15:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oooops! Sorry, I just thought I would give us something to merge it into.--Vintagekits 17:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. We'd merge all the articles into this one, then move it to Florida Four to preserve the history, what you did prevented that from happening. One Night In Hackney_IRA 17:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I was thinking was start a new article and then if/when we merge we could redirect these "name" pages to the new artcile so we wouldnt lose the histories. Thats what happened to Declan Arthurs et al.--Vintagekits 17:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we could merge all the info into Provisional IRA arms importation, as per Astrotrain. As IRA arms shipments went, this was minor enough, although it caused a bit of a political storm at the time, given that Sinn Fein and the IRA was supposed to have signed up the Belfast Agreement.Jdorney 10:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Dorney here - merge with the main article Weggie 15:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its a bit late now sinces we have merged them here! For the record altough I have supported a merger to this article I wouldn't support a further merger. regards--Vintagekits 15:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merged[edit]

As there's clear consensus the articles need to be merged into a single article in some form I've gone ahead and merged the other three. I still need to re-jig this article slightly before moving it to Florida Four. However, I have not ruled out the possibility of merging it into Provisional IRA arms importation at a later date. Given the large amount of possible source material, I think it's best to come back to this in a couple of months to see if the article can be significantly expanded. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

where are we up to with this?--Vintagekits 10:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]