Talk:Fifth Avenue Girl

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Title[edit]

As per AFI, the title card in the film reads 5th Avenue Girl. Although some promotional material (like the poster used in the wikiarticle, and some other ads in contemporary magazines/newspapers), as well as other mentions in contemporary sources use several different versions of the title, the very lack of consistency shows that the different versions weren't official, but more due to the variances in abbreviations. Fifth Avenue Girl (here and in many other places, appears to be the most popular way the film was referred to in contemporary sources. Onel5969 TT me 17:20, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that although posters and almost all references (except IMDb) list the title as Fifth Avenue Girl or 5th Avenue Girl, the on-screen title is, in fact, as indicated at IMDb, 5th Ave Girl. A screenshot of the title card can be seen at annyas.com/screenshots/1935-1939/ (one needs to scroll down to 1939 in order to see the image). —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:01, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, the exact form of the on-screen title is 5TH AVE GIRL and the screenshot depicting the title card can be accessed at annyas.com/screenshots/images/1939/5th-ave-girl-movie-title.jpg —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 April 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus is against this move buidhe 20:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Fifth Avenue Girl → 5th Ave Girl – 5th Ave Girl has remained as this film's stable title for nearly three years (since 18:09, 20 June 2017). A discussion regarding the title form is at Talk:Fifth Avenue Girl#Title. Taking into account the existence of this talk page exchange, the title should not have been unilaterally moved today, but should have been submitted for WP:RM. Therefore, the title needs to be restored to its stable form. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • -"5th Ave Girl" +"Fifth Avenue Girl"-"5th Avenue Girl" - 34,500
  • +"5th Ave Girl" -"Fifth Avenue Girl" -"5th Avenue Girl" - 20,000
  • -"5th Ave Girl" -"Fifth Avenue Girl" +"5th Avenue Girl" - 6,320
Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usage:
From this evidence, it would appear that "Fifth Avenue Girl" is the COMMONNAME, with "5th Avenue Girl" an acceptable alternative (just as the article says). Only IMDb and Maltin use "5th Ave Girl" ("5th Ave. Girl" - with a period after 'Ave' - for Maltin). Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the argument that the article's title has been "stable ... for nearly three years", the article's title was stable as "Fifth Avenue Girl" from its creation in April 2008 until December 2015 (7 years and 8 months), at which time it was moved to "5th Avenue Girl", then, 18 months later, in June 2017, it was moved to "5th Ave Girl". So, in point of fact, the article has spent more time under the title "Fifth Avenue Girl" then any other. The latest move, to "5th Ave Girl" was made with virtually no discussion (see above, only 2 editors participated) and little evidence presented beyond the title card, which is obviously stylized to be reminiscent of a NYC street sign of the period, which would have said "5th Ave", with the underline beneath the "th" (see examples here). Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The current title is WP:COMMONNAME, and is the title displayed on promotional material as intended by the filmmakers. The title card is just artistic license, stylistically depicting what a contemporary street sign looked like. Movie title cards are often done in such stylistic ways, and though they are called "title cards" (illogical as it sounds) should not be taken as definitive of the intended title of the work. I have access to newspapers.com and did a search for 1939 release information on the film, and "Fifth Avenue Girl" is ubiquitous. -- Netoholic @ 18:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Added: No objection to any and all versions of this title being created and kept as redirect. -- Netoholic @ 18:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point. "5th Ave Girl" wasn't a redirect, so I created it. "5th Avenue Girl" and "5th Ave. Girl" were already redirects. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move away from Fifth Avenue Girl per above arguments. The previous discussion shows an admission that most references don't have "5th Ave Girl", and I am not swayed by the argument that the on-screen title is critical, much less to override WP:COMMONNAME. Furthermore, even if results were mixed for all these titles, following the spirit of Manuals of Style, "Fifth" is more preferable to "5th" (as we write out numbers 1-9), and "Avenue" is preferable to "Ave" (clarity through avoiding abbreviation). Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the point that "we write out numbers 1-9", a glance at List of films: numbers will display a large selection of titles (The 1 Second Film, 2 Days in New York, 3 Godfathers, 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days, 5 Card Stud, 6 Angels, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao, 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag, 9 Songs), etc. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that, absolutely. I meant in the case of mixed results. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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