Talk:Feliks Zemdegs

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Recently there have been multiple users trying to change Feliks Zemdegs' 3x3x3 record of 6.77 seconds (Melbourne Cube Day 2010) to 6.65 seconds (Melbourne Summer Open 2011), but the World Cube Association Official Results at worldcubeassociation.org lists only the 6.77 second record. Is there some other official source that lists the Melbourne Summer Open 2011 result? If so, I would encourage those who update the record here and on the other Rubik's Cube pages to include a citation showing where you got the information, and if possible to get the worldcubeassociation.org page to list it. We can't just allow random changes to the record without any way of knowing whether they are true. Guy Macon 21:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn_-253xO4s - Also, the WCA site has been updated as of this moment.74.210.120.91 (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Please take a look at section 1.5 of WP:RSEX (Also found atWikipedia:Reliable source examples#Are IRC, MySpace, and YouTube reliable sources? ).
There have been a lot of attempts lately to insert new records before they are published on the WCA site, and one editor was blocked for 48 hours for repeatedly re-inserting them after they were repeatedly removed. You have to understand that Wikipedia only allows material that is backed by reliable sources. You can't simply update the record without a source because we don't know that you didn't make the number up. You can't use your blog as a source because we don't know whether you faked the info on your blog. You (usually - there are exceptions) can't use YouTube as a source because we don't know whether you faked the video and uploaded it to YouTube. Basically, think of every way you could put a fake world's record on the internet. Those are the sources Wikipedia cannot use.
It isn't the end of the world if the World's record for solving a Rubik's cube isn't instantly updated on Wikipedia. So PLEASE everybody, calm down, wait until the new record is published on the WCA site, then update Wikipedia (and don't forget to change the accessdate of the reference!). That way we know it isn't faked. Guy Macon 00:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You will notice that many edits are done by user "Lembasts". He is Felik's father...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lembasts (talk • contribs) 09:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

I have undid revisions from this user 201.141.53.182 as this user has vandilised Zemdegs' Rubik's Cube "Average of 5" time from 6.54 to 5.25, most likely trying to mimic the current Rubik's cube world record single by Collin Burns. This user also changed the competition that Zemdegs' broke the world record at from Melbourne Cube Day 2013 to Nayarit 2015 International Cube Expo which doesn't seem to be a competition that exists.

I feel that this user has vandilised this part of the article intentionally. However, there doesn't appear to be any sign of re-offence done by this user and the vandalism was very minimal. Because of this, I believe no further action is required. If this happens again, there needs to be some form of blocking of users and/or some sort of semi-protection of the article. There doesn't seem to be frequent vandalism on this article so a semi-protection is not required to prevent vandalisms.

2young2bameh (talk) 13:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lembasts - Thanks for that. Vandalism on this page is fairly frequent which is why I have a watch on this page.

Citations[edit]

I note the citations on his date of birth and parentage. How on earth can you supply that information? I'm hardly going to scan a copy of his birth certificate and mine (I'm his father) and his mothers to show our Latvian and Lithuanian backgrounds. So I disagree with the citation as it cannot be reasonably added as a reference to anywhere else on the web and why would I make this up? Cheers - David Zemdegs Lembasts (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the citations. DOB and parentage aren't exactly contentious material. I don't see how it can cause an argument. I have removed the "citation needed" tags on those. 2young2bameh (talk) 05:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Feliks did move to Sydney on 15 Feb 2019 to begin work at Optiver. How on earth can you provide a citation on that? Its not like some news outlet reports on it and the company doesnt list all its employees on its website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lembasts (talk • contribs) 21:36, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I believe you, but I think you know that your point isn't a valid argument for adding information to Wikipedia. I would also question how relevant this information (especially the move and the specific date of the move) is for this article, but that is a different question. Felida97 (talk) 23:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating records or competitions[edit]

For all editors of this page please DO NOT update records or competitions until they appear on the world cubing association website. Thanks David Zemdegs (Lembasts) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lembasts (talk • contribs) 22:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Huge competition table[edit]

I think we should collapse that huge table. It takes up a lot of space and looks quite ugly when it doesn't fit the screen. Judith Sunrise (talk) 14:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My son should stop breaking so many records :-) - Seriously though it's probably a good idea to have one table per event, maybe combining single and average. Ill have a look at it over the holidays - Lembasts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lembasts (talk • contribs) 16:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it should be collapsed; I don't think it needs to be split into multiple tables. Felida97 (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Judith Sunrise (talk) 00:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I'm still not happy about that huge table. I don't think Wikipedia lists every competition an athlete went to for any athlete in any sport. I'd be happier if we only included competitions with world records. Or we made it just a list of world records. I love cubing trivia as much as anyone else, but I think we need to keep things relevant. Judith Sunrise (talk) 13:58, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you have a point. Regarding "including just the comps with WR", I just did a quick count: the table currently list 84 comps (side note: two are missing compared to his WCA profile (Cube for Cambodia 2015 and Techweek NZ 2017)) and 39 of them are without records. So if we just list the ones with WR, the table would still have 45 rows, so still more than half as long as the current table. My point is: this option doesn't really solve the problem. I also don't think a list of world records is the solution given his 119 WR. Sadly, I don't really have a good alternative besides just removing the table as a whole though that may be the best option. Sorry for the delayed reply. Felida97 (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What if we make a table with: | event || single/average || first record || latest record || total amount of records | or something of the like? Judith Sunrise (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I started an example in my sandbox - poorly formatted so far, but that's the general idea. Judith Sunrise (talk) 11:31, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I realize now that my table isn't really much shorter, but IMO much easier to read. Judith Sunrise (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The table looks good, but the categories are just trivial/weird/irrelevant, like the time of his first WR by event just isn't really relevant and number of WR by event is also mostly trivia (no offence; nothing against your solid effort; just my opinion). The best thing I can think of would be to expand the other table using his personal bests for each event and mark the current WRs in that table. In addition, we could add something like "he has set 119 world records across eight speedcubing events" to the lead and maybe mention the total number of comps he attended in how many countries to compensate for the competition table (that we would remove). Let me know what you think, I appreciate your efforts trying to resolve this. Felida97 (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am against adding even more information to that huge table that's currently in the article. I like the "he has set 119 world records across eight speedcubing events". I find it a bit drastic to remove all of that information though. Judith Sunrise (talk) 21:35, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear: By "other table" I meant to expand the table in the section "Currently held world records" with the remaining PBs of Feliks (if we really want to list times). I just asked myself what the huge comp table really conveys to normal readers (i.e. non-cubers). And to them it's likely just that he has broken many world records in many events and has attended competitions all over the world. That's why suggested the phrases above to equally convey that info. This article doesn't need this detailed history of his world records in form of a table, especially since very similar information could be obtained from his WCA profile if someone is really interested. Another option to convey more of the information of the huge table (if you find it a bit drastic to remove all of that info) would be in form of a few sentences. For example that he held (and improved his own) records over years for some events etc. Felida97 (talk) 22:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, now I understand. So something like a mix of the "current WR" table and the "notable rankings" table from the Max Park article. I agree with you. We can do that. Judith Sunrise (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Side note: I noticed some other language versions of this article also feature the same table, but stuck in 2011... I think we should remove those as well. Judith Sunrise (talk) 22:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I actually like the table in Judith's sandbox. I think the summary is neat and easy to read. Lembasts (Felik's dad).

I am on board with removing the table completely and only putting in "he has attended x comps in y countries with z world records". I do understand though, why you might prefer if a bit more information was left. Judith Sunrise (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think User:Felida97 would prefer something like this version to replace the "Current WR" section. What do you think? Judith Sunrise (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yep - Like the summary table instead of current world records. If you keep the other table it highlights the current world records anyway. I think it would be good to keep details like how many records in each event and when the first and last one was so people can get an idea of the breadth of his achievements. Lembasts —Preceding undated comment added 21:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Happy for you to make the changes Judith - both to the main table and the Current WR section - Lembasts (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and changed it (also removed the smaller table, because it's redundant). If User:Felida97 prefers we can continue to talk about further slimming things down. But as of now it's already a huge improvement over the old table. Judith Sunrise (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks heaps! Looks great. Thanks for taking an interest in my son. Lembasts (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I hope this doesn't sound creepy, but as a cuber - for better or for worse - it's hard not to take interest. For my part, I'm a fan. Judith Sunrise (talk) 22:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No probs. I expect that with Max Park on the scene there wont be too many more edits to the table. But Ive said that many times before...Lembasts (talk) 08:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On that front: Here we go again. Judith Sunrise (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need his less competitive events results?[edit]

@Supersammy00: - I see you added his results for his less competitive events. I wanted to ask why? I had originally hidden them about a year ago, because I felt they were not really relevant and make the article longer than necessary. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? Judith Sunrise (talk) 23:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Speed Cubers[edit]

The Netflix Documentary talks a lot about Zemdeg and Max Park, so maybe people can watch and add details on both of them? TheKuygeriancontribs
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