Talk:Faderhuset

Christianity Low‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Denmark Low‑importance

	Denmark portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Denmark, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Denmark on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DenmarkWikipedia:WikiProject DenmarkTemplate:WikiProject DenmarkDenmark articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

School[edit]

Wait where did the thing about the school being closed because they dont do science go?Isn't it true after all:we went form giving a very precise reason to no reason at all.

The school closed after a dispute with the Department of Education in Denmark. Whether the department was right or not when they judged the Accelerated Christian Education curriculum too poor regarding quality or not it is not for us to decide, but it was the reason given.

Samuelskolen, en kristen friskole, som mistede og genvandt sit statstilskud i løbet af sommeren, Friskolebladet
Samuelskolen i Rødovre skal lukkes, by Claus Bøggild, Denmarks Radio, August 9 2005

They were forced to abandon ACE but according to Department of Education the children did not reach the level you could expect from a modern school. Covergaard (talk) 12:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

money money money could be funny in a rich men's world....[edit]

How was a church with 120 members able to offer $13,000,000 kroner (about US$2.3 million) for a house? Who is funding them? There are not many rich people in Denmark due to the inheritance laws there.--Jaibe 14:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a classic cult, it's members work for free and donate their earthly belongings to the "community".

Ehmm there's lot's of rich people in Denmark, dunno why you think otherwise80.197.1.72 23:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's a very odd thing to say Denmark has many rich people even with the high tax rates.The average persons income is amongst the highest in the world. Wonx2150 10:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evangelistic[edit]

This word in American English means that they preach the word of Christ in the hope of converting non-believers to Christianity.

I object to the phrase "preach the word of Christ" ;sounds biased.

In Europe it is often a synonym for the word Protestant.

The word evangelical has come to represent a particular, conservative brand of Christianity that emphasizes the primacy of the Bible as the source of truth and a potent faith-based life. In Europe the term is often used for a conservative movement in the United States. It is completely unclear which of these meanings the writer of this article meant.

It is clear to me, a native speaker of English, who has spent m 35 years working with a wide variety of non-native speakers, that this article was written by a person whose native language is not English. I would guess that the author is unaware that the word "evangelistic" is extremely rare in common dialog about religion, and that it is ambiguous.

Could someone who knows what sort of church this is please insert the correct word? A discussion of the various meanings this word has in native English can be found here.

Thank you.

Nwbeeson 14:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to edit articles yourself. I have changed it to "evangelical" as from what little I can get from youtube & my weak Danish it looks like they are an evangelical cult. Could someone who speaks Danish please google Samuelsskolen & Faderhuset & get a reference for the claim about the school, then I think we could delete the citations message since that's the most controversial thing not yet grounded with a reference. There are plenty of articles but none in English.--Jaibe 20:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cult or sect[edit]

Read http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=1223 , it explains why Faderhuset should be regarded as a "sekt". http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=1111 explains some things about the source, Dialogcentret. "Sekt" is most acurately translated to the word "cult" in this case, as pointed out on the talk page for Ungdomshuset, and if you read the wikipedia entries on "sect" and "cult" you'll see why.

Cult, Sect or Group[edit]

The Guardian has called the group a 'sect', http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2027460,00.html, while the Indpendent has called it a 'Christian organization'. http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2328814.ece.

It is probably tendentious to call it a 'cult'. I am totally unbiased here: I think this group is probably a bunch of crazies, but even they deserve the NPOV.Onaraighl 14:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr, http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2007/03/01/093222.htm?rss=true Politiken, http://politiken.dk/indland/article195846.ece and Berlingske Tidende http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aid=868264 all use the word "sekt" which is best translated as "cult". In this matter I think it would be better to use danish news sources when possible. I'd say the Guardian probably had problems translating from danish sources, and the independant just used a broader term, but when you look at the description of Faderhuset and the way the word "sekt" is used it becomes clear that it is a "cult". By the way, I'm unbiased too, I just think we should use the right words in the right context.

The word cult or sect is inflammatory and the article from DCI is clearly biased against this particular group. Neither deserves place here on Wikipedia. 85.81.77.225 01:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is DCI "clearly" biased? It seems to me that the negative comments stem from the findings of the writer, not because of some previous bias. If you disagree then please explain what part of their description is inaccurate and caused by bias. Since the word in question is used in many other sources I have reverted to it, inflammatory or not it seems accurate. For now I have left out the DCI link, but I think it should be put back in unless it is explained where it is wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.221.149.198 (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Well, DCI is a rather controversial organisation. They are known for beeing very critical of anyone they think is related to "trosbevægelsen" (see http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=623 ). They disagree with the theology behind it, and they "warn" their readers to stick with "old school" Christianity. Whether they are correct or not, their organisation is dedicated to making church "politics" in Denmark. The articles put forth by the DCI are merely opinion pieces on organisations they already dislike. Some would call it propaganda. 85.81.77.225 08:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reinserted "cult" because someone had found a reference for using that term, which I grabbed from the squat wiki article. I hadn't realized there was so much more discussion here of the term though -- I'm not going to get in a reversion war over it. No one thinks their own religion is a cult, but the term was invented for things like this.--Jaibe 21:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DCI is more or less the "foreign office" of the Danish state church. They are not in any way a neutral source for anything. --Per Abrahamsen 07:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]