Talk:Entelodontidae

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On 23 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Entelodontidae. The result of the discussion was Moved.

Entelodon[edit]

Why does "Entelodon" redirect here? "Entelodon" and "entelodont" are different! Entelodont is a group of animals that Entelodon belongs to, while Entelodon is a kind of animal! Dora Nichov 04:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. ""Entelodon"" is actually a subjective synonym of ""Archaeotherum"" and should redirect to that genus, whereas entelodont is a common name for the family Entelodontidae. Entelodont 03:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want to test if this is still a problem. Please click on these links: Entelodon, Entelodont. Chrisrus (talk) 04:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lifestyle[edit]

In general though, they were probably too smelly and too noisy to have made good predators on fast plains mammals How can one know this from fossil evidence, of corse an analysis with modern genera is purely speculative. A good citation for this is needed along with the rest of the article. Enlil Ninlil 07:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite[edit]

The references seems to have been copies by the writer, so must be rewriten. Enlil Ninlil 07:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted the copyviol I could find, although one of the web sources was unavailable (http://www.avph.hpg.ig.com.br/dinohyus.htm - possibly deleted) at the time, so I could not check that one. I've added some in-text cites, so that should be both clean-up tags taken care of. The article could still do with improving, though. Anaxial (talk) 14:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, Archaeotherium was supposed to be pretty fast as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 17:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, whoa, whoa[edit]

Wait a minute here. With the exception of "Walking With" and some paleontology manuals from 1923, who still call entelodonts 'Elotherids', I have never seen anyone say they're basically overgrown, stinky warthogs. There is evidence from the Badlands that Archaeotherium was a vicious predator, and bones at Agate Fossil beds show Daeodon tooth marks in Moropus bones. Chrisrus

Agreed: The Entelodonts were omnivores who probably supplemented their diets with meat, either through scavenging and commandeering the kills of other predators, as well as running down prey. Truth be told, what with them being such large and bulky animals, I tend to think of them using mostly the former methods than the latter.--Mr Fink (talk) 04:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's not acceptable to have taxoboxs with conflicting information as is the case with this article and the taxoboxes of articles such as Suina. That article has an excellent graphic claddogram and seems to be more up to date. I intend to change this taxobox so that it agrees with that one, and then to have a look at the text for "undue weight" on older taxonomies that made perfect sence maybe at the time but on further investigation have turned out not to jive with the newer evidence as well as the new one does. Chrisrus (talk) 04:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, Entelodontidae is still in Suina: Ceartiodactylomorpha (or however you spell it) mentions that Spalding (was it?) moves Entelodontidae closer to Cetacea with the Hippos, but, no other page mentions this, and I'm not sure if everyone is convinced, either. At the very least, we need to mention Entelodonts in Suina, also.--Mr Fink (talk) 04:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Time difference[edit]

--Anastronomer (talk) 22:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC) On the classification 'box' on the topright there it says 45 to 20 Ma but on the info it says 37 to 16 Ma.[reply]

Relations[edit]

What evidence supports the argument that entelodonts are more related to hippo and cetaceans than to pigs? No theory is without evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.14.169 (talk) 21:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The source provided has a chart that explains. On the other hand, what sources have you provided that state that entelodonts are Artiodactyla incertae sedis?--Mr Fink (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 23 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 13:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Entelodont → Entelodontidae – Taxonomic fossil families pages like that of the Entelodontidae should be named by family names and not "common" taxonomic names, similar to other pages such as the Anthracotheriidae. PrimalMustelid (talk) 21:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.