Talk:Ememem

A fact from Ememem appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "the surgeon of the sidewalks" is anonymous?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A mosaic by Ememem

... that "the surgeon of the sidewalks" (art pictured) is anonymous? Source: "the surgeon of the sidewalks", anonymous (sorry for the foreign-language sources)
- ALT1: ... that mosaics (pictured) created by the anonymous "surgeon of the sidewalks" are generally discovered at dawn? Source: Same as ALT0, plus generally discovered at dawn for the sources-from-three-foreign-languages trifecta!
- ALT2: ... that an anonymous artist has been creating mosaics (pictured) on the streets of France since 2016? Source: "Since 2016, he’s been consistently filling potholes and other divots throughout France", plus source from ALT0 to establish anonymity

Reviewed: Aldo Forbice
Comment: Could link "Ememem" in any of these hooks instead – I just think "surgeon of the sidewalks" is neat

Created by Ezlev (talk). Self-nominated at 22:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ~~Not sure, as there's no freedom of panorama in France, but the hook could run fine without the pic.~~ The previous image was from France and has been replaced, so this point isn't an issue anymore. Epicgenius (talk) 04:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Epicgenius! How about the photo I've just swapped in, which (according to the Flickr page it's uploaded from) was taken in Lavapiés? Spain has freedom of panorama, right? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:42, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is fine. "Works permanently located in parks or on streets, squares or other public thoroughfares may be freely reproduced, distributed and communicated by painting, drawing, photography and audiovisual processes." This presumably applies here. Epicgenius (talk) 04:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5 without image

"He"[edit]

The article notes "the identity of Ememem is unknown, and the artist has refused to share information such as age and gender. However, sources uniformly use masculine pronouns for Ememem, so this article does the same".

Yet very first source I hit is an article in Dutch which refers to Ememem only once by pronoun, and then uses "hij of zij" ("he or she"), noting that the artist is completely anonymous -- so apparently not that "uniform". I wonder how much of this simply just reflects copied biases (linguistic or otherwise). Given that the artist themself has explicitly stated not to want to divulge their gender, it would seem more natural in English to use "they".

I know there's always the perennial argument that WP is not original, and so "has no choice" but to reflect what sources report, but those sources are clearly not authorities themselves on what pronouns to use for Ememem (by their own admission, through citing the subject). 82.95.254.249 (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this point; I see no reason why the article should not be written using the pronoun 'they' and I believe it reads strange otherwise. The French Wikipedia article on Ememem uses the pronoun 'sa' which corresponds with the English 'they', as does one of the two French sources on this page. Stephanos100 (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate this, IP and Stephanos100. I only chose to use "he" because I believed all the sources did the same, but clearly that was a mistake on my part. I'll change the article now. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 17:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]