Talk:Elmer Fudd

Speculation

I think that when writing his Foundation Trilogy, Isaac Asimov might have been inspired by the Elmer character when crafting Anacreon ruler Lord Dorwin's manner of speech. (At least it was Elmer's voice ringing through my skull when I read Dorwin's lines.) -- knoodelhed 13:48, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wolling Stones

I've reverted to the version that claims that it was "satisfaction" that was parodied, but if you're quite sure, please revert back with discussion. --Slashme 17:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

It is from the Stones. A Google search of the appropriate phrases will show that. Whoever changed it to Springsteen is either misguided or vandalizing. — Amcaja 18:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

It's Springsteen's song "Fire" (also covered by the Pointer Sisters): "I'm drivin' in my car. I turn on the radio", not "Satisfaction" that Williams sings.

Yes, it's the Springsteen song. "Satisfaction" has a similar line, but the part about "when we kiss... fire" ID's it as the Springsteen song. Wahkeenah 22:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

What does he look like?

Would be nice to see a picture of the character, I still don't know what it looks like. - User:Gonzen

"Elmer+Fudd" Try here - knoodelhed 21:21, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Named after someone?

Was he named Elmer after someone ? Jay 08:04, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Is his full name not "Elmer J. Fudd"? 213.51.209.230 15:15, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• I recall rather clearly him declaring in one episode that he was "Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht." - knoodelhed 11:24, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad to see someone put up a picture of Mr. Fudd, but could someone find one w/o the stupid looking 3d shading? Bugs Bunny, for example, appears to have an actual still from an actual cartoon. -- 148.65.113.28 22:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Gollywog

I have a DVD with some 30s/40s WB cartoons on, and one of them(All this and Rabbit Stew) features a character in what is essentialy Fudd's role, but he is a stereotype black man, although he does looks similar to the modern form or Elmer Fudd in shape. I beleive I have seen this cartoon on TV a few years ago, but possibly re-animated to with Elmer in place of this pre-Elmer. Are there any sources on his history which indlude this?

The cartoon All this and Rabbit Stew was never remade entirely. The gag with the rotating log was reanimated for use in the 1946 Bugs Bunny cartoon The Big Snooze. --b. Touch 09:13, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Vegetarian?

Elmer Fudd appears to be listed under the category "Fictional vegetarians". Is he really a vegetarian, though? I don't recall any cartoon where this is revealed in any way. Is this just an ironic joke by someone, putting him in that category?

First, I can't believe that there is a category "Fictional vegetarians". Second, I think he does mention in one cartoon that he is a vegetarian and that he hunts for sport, yet in others he is clearly not a vegetarian (preparing a rabbit/duck dinner, for instance). Like most cartoon characters, traits often vary from short to short so calling him a vegetarian is, at best, wishful thinking. Jeff schiller 14:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I remember an episode in which he says hes a vegetarian, and that "wabbits are my favorite vegetable" --Pdinc 20:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

But this makes no sense! How can you be a Vegeterian and hunt animals, I mean the whole point of vegeterianism it to avoid the suffering of animals.203.53.167.180 10:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Vegetarians can kill animals, they just don't eat them. You're thinking of Vegans. Besides, he has been shown to try and cook rabbit or duck, as Jeff schiller pointed out. --Piemanmoo 00:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

In one of Elmer's solo shorts (well, the real star is a one-shot rooster), Each Dawn I Crow, he prepares a chicken dinner. The vegetarian claim was just a throw-away gag in Duck! Rabbit! Duck!. Accordingly, I took it out. -- Ted Watson (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that was Rabbit Fire. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon name assistance

I'm looking for the name of this one Elmer Fudd animated short where this singing black cat unwittingly wakes Elmer up. There's this one particular scene (that I find adorable) where the cat sings Brahms' Lullaby to put Elmer back to sleep. It works and the cat carries Elmer into his bedroom, tucks him in, kisses his forehead, and quietly leaves the room, turning off the lights as he goes. (Awwwww ^_^). Angie Y. 00:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute, I figured it out. It's titled Back Alley Op-roar. Angie Y. 00:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Elmer Fudd

I went to college with this guy. --Wayne Neptune 02:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• He's a cartoon character. I find it hard to believe you went to college with a cartoon.GalacticExplorer 04:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Recognizable picture

There's no picture of Elmer Fudd's most recognizable design, from the era described in the "Elmer's peak" section. This is a serious flaw for a high importance article. It's rated B-class without one? -- AvatarMN 19:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find a section called Elmer’s peak, but I did find a section called Elmer speak about his manner of speaking.

Suffice it to say, Fudd’s most recognisable design is depicted at the top of the article.

What I think is sorely missing is a picture of the “Fat Elmer” incarnation.

Sincerely,

allixpeeke (talk) 11:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

First Elmer Fudd?

I heard this was the first one? It was just from this page but there's two pictures, one in colour and one in black and white. So I'm not very sure. http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/cartoons/47.htm http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/cartoons/allthis.htm Like, is it mentioned in the article? I skimmed. Or does another person jump in and say, "Hi I'm going to blow your brains out now!"? - Babylon pride (talk) 01:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The closest thing to a connection between this (from the short, All This and Rabbit Stew) and Elmer Fudd, is that in his book Tex Avery: King of Cartoons, 1975, De Capo Press, Joe Adamson said there was a later, censored version that somehow replaced this African-American caricature with Fudd. I've never seen any such reworked version or any corroborating report, however. Ted Watson (talk) 20:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to what Adamson may say, there is no such "remake" of All this and Rabbit Stew. The Big Snooze used the famous "log-over-the-cliff" gag, animating Fudd over the Stepin Fetchit hunter, but that's it. — Cinemaniac (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Change of The Fairly OddParents episode title--is that right?

In correcting the "...in popular culture" reference to an episode of The Fairly OddParents, I also Wikilinked it to the article on that show. There was a link to a list of episodes, which I checked just in case the episode had its own article. However, while the ep. title given here was "TV Chasers," the closest I could find there was "Timmy TV." The very skimpy plot summary there was not inconsistent with the description here, but it's not that good a match, either. Can anybody confirm if this was a good faith mistake or a case of "Sneaky vandalism," per this? Ted Watson (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Egghead?

In the Egghead section of the article, it states that "many cartoon historians believe that Egghead evolved into Elmer over a period of a couple of years." However, in his book Hollywood Cartoons, Michael Barrier thinks that Elmer and Egghead were always two distinctly different characters, stating that the misconception that Egghead evolved into Elmer is one of "those persistent little errors that will never go away". While I've always heard and read that Fudd evolved from Egghead, maybe we should mention this. Whadaya think? — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 00:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know much about this Barrier, but in A Feud There Was (1938), Egghead rides into the action on a scooter bearing the otherwise unmentioned words, "Elmer Fudd, Peacemaker." The last original short in the official Egghead series was Believe It or Else, in 1939. There were subsequent to this a few cartoons with a character called Elmer, who has the face and voice we now associate with Fudd, but dresses like Egghead, and the shape of his head reflects the latter named, as well (Elmer's Candid Camera; Good Night, Elmer; Elmer's Pet Rabbit). Contemporary to these were two others that feature a character of clearly the same design, but wearing period costume appropriate to the story at hand (The Hardship of Miles Standish and Confederate Honey). With the 1941 exception of Pet Rabbit, these are all from 1940. Between Hardship and Good Night, Fudd almost exactly as we think of him appeared in A Wild Hare. Barrier can "think" whatever he wants, but the prevailing evidence is conclusive to the contrary. Tbrittreid (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: Given the above, should we really believe Barrier that Jones lied for 40 years about the circumstances of his departure from Warner Bros.? I think not. --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I just found the external link/reference to Barrier's What's New blog archives and his reproduction of a document referring to the lead in the short Cinderella Meets Fella as "Egghead's brother," which he asserts to be a reference to Elmer Fudd. Unfortunately for what was left of Barrier's credibility, the star of that short is in execution 100% Egghead rather than the Egghead/Elmer hybrid seen in the cartoons indicated above or the fully developed Fudd himself. I have no idea why the Termite Terrace people gave consideration to identifying this character as Egghead's brother (mandatorily, his identical twin) instead of being Egghead himself, but the statement cannot have anything whatsoever to do with Fudd. Also note, if you should go look for yourself, that Barrier's reproduced document has handwritten scrawls (dated "1938," notice) across it and therefore in and of itself is an internal studio document. Even if it can be proven that something to the same effect was genuinely published in "the trades" or elsewhere in those days (which this patently fails to demonstrate, but IIRC the Beck/Friedwald book on the WB 'toons mentions the allegation of Egghead's sibling here and at least strongly implies that it's arbitrary and pointless), it still has nothing to do with the Egg/Elmer question. Period. Therefore, in order to avoid misleading any Wikipedia readers I'm taking it out, with a link to here in my edit summary. --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I admire your willingness, Ted, to follow up on things like this. I'd like to thank you, too, for continuing to try to get to the heart of the matter. And yes, I realize it's been quite some time since we last interacted — your final year in school can drive a guy crazy! — but I do appreciate this. Animation history, like all history, really, is muddled and confusing. And that's part of what makes it such a pleasure to delve into.  :) — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 08:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

You've got your priorities straight, and the last thing I meant to do was distract you from your academics. I simply happened to notice for the first time the "Egghead's brother" statement in the article and the ext. link source for it just yesterday, so I checked it out. Barrier's flat assertion that the publicity sheet's comment referred to Elmer Fudd was indefensible, so I reacted accordingly. Looks to me like somebody pointed out to him what he wrote in his book was contradicted by the cartoons themselves and he grabbed at a lame (in fact invalid) straw rather than admit the position he had previously committed himself to was less than 100% valid. As the blog item is dated June 2009, he could have been reacting to my refutation of his book right here, more than a year earlier. Two new points: Cinderalla Meets Fella came out well before A Feud There Was, which first saw the name Elmer Fudd on Eggy's scooter, further contradicting "brother = Elmer." Although not related to this specific point, the IMDb claims that Mel Blanc provided the Eggy/Fudd hybrid's "Crying and Screaming" in Good Night, Elmer, where he had no actual words to say. If true, it counts as Mel voicing Fudd more than that one scream against all the singing by Bryan in What's Opera, Doc? does, doesn't it? BTW, I still say it's Blanc not "Dave Barry" in Pre-Hysterical Hare. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Barrier, for all of his knowledge, certainly isn't infallible. I can remember reading his Funnyworld interview with Bob Clampett back in the '70s and he identifies the Egghead-esque character from A Feud There Was as "Elmer Dudd", if I remember correctly, and he couldn't account for his error. I think this is just one more instance of such happening. Barrier's been in the game a long time, anyhow, and, while from all appearances he seems to be pretty sharp, some of these slips might have something to do with his memory.

And don't worry about distracting me. We're off for Spring Break, and I realized I hadn't really paid this site a visit via my account for quite some time, so I thought I'd check around to see what was going on. :) — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll admit that Barrier's original denial of Egghead→Elmer Fudd evolution might be just his memory slipping, and contaminated by Eggy's relatively recent cameo in Quackbusters, but there's no justifying an animation historian of his reputation flatly asserting that the "Egghead's brother" statement exclusively tied to ...Fella is about Fudd, more than two months before the name itself was first dropped (only visually, too) in Feud.... It is far more plausibly—if less kindly—interpreted as an act of CYA. And, you were missed. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Ben Hardaway and Cal Dalton's Count Me Out (from 1938) and Fred "Tex" Avery's A Feud There Was (also from 1938) confirmed that Egghead (who always had big eyes with a big egg-shaped head and finally has hair in three of his cartoons) and Elmer Fudd were always two separate characters and were created by Fred "Tex" Avery in 1937. Avey created Egghead for Egghead Rides Again (1937) and also created Elmer j. Fudd for Little Red Walking Hood (1937) as well. in the 1970's, Tex Avery and the other directors and animators accidentally confused the two as the same character when they are not. Then after that, Egghead makes his appearance in Daffy Duck's Quackbusters (1988) while going back to being bald again and wearing Elmer's Clothes and Derby Hat. And Egghead even appeared in the 1990's and 2000 Looney Tunes comic books and in the other movie called Looney Tunes: Back in Action (2003) still wearing Elmer's clothes and hat, sometimes. There was a reason why Elmer was referred to as "Egghead's Brother" in the new Vitaphone Publicly Sheet (with the new "Jan 30, 1939" date on it) for "Cinderella Meets Fella" (the cartoon that was actually made and released in 1938). Both characters sometimes have voices that mimics Joe Penner's voice for entertainment purposes. Other people such as David Gerstein (an animation historian) and Eliza on her website [[1] confirmed this as well. It is the truth. Tanktank918305 (talk) 04:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:TPG

This is not a chat forum. -- The Red Pen of Doom 10:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Voice in Pre-Hysterical Hare

What's this with crediting Elmer's voice in Pre-Hysterical Hare to Dave Barry? Even assuming that whoever did it didn't realize the article the linked name leads to is a different Dave Barry (the humorist born in 1947, maybe all of eleven years old when the track was recorded), many sources (Leonard Maltin's Of Mice and Magic, for one I know off the top of my head) say it's Mel Blanc, and it sounds very much like his unfortunately "off-model" rendition of the voice. I'm going to put a cite request here and in the short's own article, which BTW blames Bryan's absence on illness, also news to me. I've never encountered a hint of a reason, and suspected that he refused to cross the picket lines during the musicians union's strike, the same-timing of which is indicated by the John Seely "score" there. --Tbrittreid (talk) 20:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: IIRC, the "caveman" footage has a narrator. Could this be the mysterious Mr. Barry's contribution? --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE 2: I raised this question over on the short's own talk page with a link to here for the details, but also added one fact I think I should reiterate right here: I believe the Jerry Beck/Will Friedwald book on the Warner Bros. cartoons reports Elmer being voiced in Prehysterical by Mel as flat fact. --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE 3: I just noticed that the article on this short asserts that the caveman footage is narrated. Now I'm just about positive that that is Barry (whom the IMDb lists as providing his Bogart impression to a few vintage Warner cartoons) and Blanc did indeed voice Fudd. Can someone find a copy of either the Maltin or Beck/Friedwald books? Both of mine fell apart from my going through them so often! --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Fudd's Victorian origins

This Disney character has his origins in Dickensian England.

The infantile speech impediment was popularized by Charles Dickens. The Victorian phrase " Waiter! Bwing me a Welsh wabbit.", mocking the mustached British aristocracy and their affectation in ordering Welsh rarebit ( cheese on bread), was brought to America in 1847 ( Black 47 of the Irish Famine) by "General Tom Thumb", where it resonated with P.T. Barnum's Irish-Yankee audiences, and ultimately, with the Irish Disneys.

Blitzkreik (talk) 06:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Disney? You mean Warner Brothers. And the character doesn't have his origins in 19th century England, if anything, his peculiar way of speaking has antecedents in England (specifically Cockney − go down to the lower part of the section) and may well be inspired from there. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

References

Elmer Fudd Wikipedia

Does this site have any notability, its very funny and a wonderful tribute: [2](mercurywoodrose)75.61.138.71 (talk) 05:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Relatives

There is no paragraph on Elmer Fudd's relatives. In the cartoon "Don't Axe Me" he is married and his wife (voiced by June Foray) is simply named Mrs. Fudd. In the cartoon "Rabbit Romeo", it is mentioned Elmer has an Uncle Judd. In the Dell Comic Daffy Duck Issue #28, it is revealed Elmer has an Uncle Foxhole Fudd. In the Dell Comic Bugs Bunny Issue #63, it is revealed Elmer has a Scottish cousins Cory and Rory Mac Fudd. In the Dell Comic Bugs Bunny Issue #67, it is revealed Elmer has an Uncle Finch. In the Dell Comic Beep Beep Issue #13, it is revealed Elmer has a sister Bernice. Deltasim (talk) 07:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Elmer Fudd in Roger Rabbit

I was digging around, looking for original sources that verify Elmer Fudd's appearance in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I don't have a copy of the Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters, and I couldn't find any excerpts of that book online that feature the Who Framed Roger Rabbit entry with the list of characters who appearred in it as a verifiable source-if I could I would make copies of that entry and upload it or link to it and list that as a source. I found three websites that verify Elmer Fudd's appearance in Who Framed Roger Rabbit:

http://www.thevalve.org/go/valve/article/the_hollywood_version_who_framed_roger_rabbit/

http://afrankangle.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/on-elmer-fudd/

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ch3zCQ8wtWcJ:forums.goldenagecartoons.com/archive/index.php/t-11670.html+elmer+fudd+appearance+roger+rabbit&cd=60&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

I listed the cached file so you can see the highlighted terms- the person on here describes in detail where and when Elmer Fudd shows up towards the end of the film.

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cameos_in_Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit

This is an official Disney Wikia- it lists Elmer Fudd as a character who cameoed in Roger Rabbit.

http://looneytunes.wikia.com/wiki/Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit

This is from an official Looney Tunes Wikia - it states Elmer Fudd appears in Roger Rabbit.

I just found this:

http://toolooney.blogspot.com/

A script for a scene in which Elmer Fudd was set to show up at Marvin Acme's funeral, but was left out of the film. This link:

http://www.toonopedia.com/elmer.htm

Even mentions Elmer Fudd's appearance in the film. I don't get why if this link is on the bottom if the Elmer Fudd page, why they wouldn't let me mention his cameo in the movie on the article. I just found a screenshot of the scene from the movie I tried to upload:

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0023/F3/98/F398A43692057C106F06A9_Large.jpg

It is a much better resolution pic-you can clearly see that the character peering through the crowd in the background on the left side of the screenshot behind the clown and between the clown and the Singing Harp with the bald, bulbous head and hunter's cap IS Elmer Fudd. I recall trying to upload a screenshot and part of the reason why it was deleted because:

1. It was from Youtube

2. It wasn't a good quality pic

3. I drew a circle around Elmer Fudd's head on it

I know for a fact that the Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters, and Newsweek June 27, 1988 - WHO IS ROGER RABBIT? SPIELBERG AND DISNEY TAKE A $45 MILLION GAMBLE, VOLUME CXI, NO. 26 mentions Elmer Fudd's cameo in the movie.The Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters is a comprehensive guide to animated Disney films and officially lists all characters that appear in these films. If I can get a hold of the Disney Encyclopedia of Animated Characters and the Newsweek magazine I was talking about above I will cite the articles from both. I believe some other animation books also mention Elmer Fudd's appearance in the movie - if I can find those other animation books that mention Elmer Fudd's cameo in the movie I will post about it also. I also found five more links to sites that mentioned Elmer Fudd appearing in the movie:

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Elmer_Fudd

http://new-savanna.blogspot.com/2010/05/hollywood-version-who-framed-roger.html

http://elmerfudd123.blogspot.com/

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=34&s=264&ai=97224&arch=y&ssd=7/16/2010%2012:01:00%20PM

http://www.screened.com/who-framed-roger-rabbit/16-177345/

Are these sources that I have acceptable sources? I don't own a DVD of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. If I were to make a screenshot from the DVD of Elmer Fudd in Roger Rabbit and showed a cropped portion of that image would that be an acceptible image to upload to the Elmer Fudd article? Or is that screenshot I found above acceptable?

Please let me know - thank you. Mavericker (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Can someone help me to verify these sources related to Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Hello- Can someone here please help me to verify these sources I found about Elmer Fudd's appearance in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? I don't want to add any of them to the article if they are going to be deleted again. I feel mentioning his appearance in this movie is significant to add to the article. I have not went to the article to add any new references yet because I want to wait till I get all my resources together first. A while ago I tried to discuss this with Bkell on his talk page but his initial discussion was in response to some faulty bad-quality screenshot I tried to upload to the article. This one is a far better one: http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0023/F3/98/F398A43692057C106F06A9_Large.jpg and it's among the new resources I found. I went back to his talk page to discuss about the list of new references with him twice and asked if he could help verify if the resources I found above were adequate, and have not heard back from him lately - I am assuming he is on a leave of abscence - I asked him some other questions and still did not hear from him. Please help. Mavericker (talk) 09:31, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Elmer Fudd in the unused funeral scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and outside the Maroon Cartoon lot

I found this tidbit of info related to Elmer Fudd's appearance in the movie. Besides the brief cameo he has at the end and early in the film walking around in the streets outside of the Maroon Cartoon studio lot, Elmer Fudd was scripted to appear as one of the pallbearers to Marvin Acme's funeral, but the funeral scene was dropped from the movie: http://www.historyforsale.com/html/printfriendly.asp?documentid=172744 The script was written and signed by Mel Blanc. Foghorn Leghorn, Yosemite Sam, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse were also set to appear.

I think this bit of info about WFRR is worth sharing on the Elmer Fudd article. The main Roger Rabbit article talks about scenes cut from the film and some of the other character articles mention characters being considered for WFRR or dropped.

According to: http://www.goldenagecartoons.com/forums/printthread.php?t=11670&pp=40&page=2 You can spot the "Wild Hare" version of Elmer Fudd walking around the Maroon Cartoon lot with Bugs Bunny. Elmer appears shortly before Bugs makes his appearance. You can see it if you are viewing the widescreen version. Mavericker (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Mavericker (talk) 12:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Comments about WFRR resources

I asked about WFRR resources to indicate Elmer Fudd appearring in WFRR on the main article.

That Newsweek magazine article and that snippet from the Disney Encyclopedia I think are valid enough to cite from. Picture quality screenshots from WFRR showing Elmer Fudd appearing in the film, if anything, is enough to verify his appearance in the film. If that link from GAC isn't good enough by itself I was going to make screenshots of Elmer from the widescreen version of WFRR to verify this anyway. I am going to make a picture quality screenshot of the crowd scene in which Elmer Fudd's face can be seen and post a link to it.

How does anyone know what I posted isn't reliable?

I am still somewhat serious about citing references to WFRR in the Elmer Fudd article- I haven't looked into this in a while- I have much more important things to deal with. I am going to do this when I have the time.

Newsweek is a nationally accredited, syndicated and world-renown news magazine. It mentioned Elmer Fudd as being one of the licensed characters that appeared in Roger Rabbit, in the Who Is Roger Rabbit? article. Why wouldn't a citation from an article from Newsweek be a reliable source? No - I have not listed specific page numbers from this magazine or from the Disney Encyclopedia yet.

That part about the script I think is worth mentioning- it is about a scene not used in WFRR that Elmer was set to appeat in and I am going to post about when I post the entry about Elmer's cameo appearances on the Elmer Fudd article.

http://www.toonopedia.com/elmer.htm is listed as a reference at the bottom of the main Elmer Fudd article, and it mentions Elmer Fudd having a cameo in WFRR. Why is it they wouldn't let this be used as a source to verify that Elmer had a cameo in WFRR? When it was listed as a reference to WFRR they said it wasn't an original source.

Can someone else please help with this?

Mavericker (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC))

Can someone please help me with WFRR resources to add to Elmer Fudd article?

I still want to verify that Elmer Fudd had cameo appearances in WFRR - most of the other characters that cameoed in that film make mention of their camoes in WFRR on their articles. Elmer had a brief cameo at the end in the crowd of Toons and can be spotted early on in the film, but you can only see that in the widescreen version of the film.

Is there someone else who can please help me with this? Please help - thank you. 96.238.196.23 (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

most of the hits you find at books.google.com count as reliable sources. But a passing cameo in a crowd scene, no matter how true and verifiable is still pretty incredibly trivial - why would we want to include it? -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I made an error- he appears twice in the crowd scene, he also appears walking around on the Maroon Cartoon lot, but the Maroon Cartoon lot scene can only be seen in the widescreen version of the film. But what about the scene outside the Maroon Carton lot? Some other characters had passing scenes - how would that be different? I also want to mention he was scripted to appear in the unused funeral scene. Mavericker (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

you need to find sources that verify your sightings. and preferably ones where they provide an analysis and context that show why it would be meaningful for a reader of this article to know that he appeared. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not just a collection of trivia.-- The Red Pen of Doom 12:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Why was Elmer's name taken of the list of WFRR cameos? Also, if a character DID IN FACT appear in this film, whether it was a brief cameo or no, why are you calling it trivial? Mavericker (talk) 16:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Because wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just a random collection of stuffs. So his image was included in a crowd shot in a movie - so what? If you want to go make a database somewhere of everyone who made a cameo in a movie; thats fine, go do it. but dont try to do it here. -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

That isn't answering the question- forget books and magazines for a minute - wouldn't screenshots be valid enough to show he had cameo appearances in this film? Have you looked at other articles about characters that appeared in the film? Some of them simply mention they had cameos in the film, without them going into any detail about it. Showing that a character DID have a cameo and posting it in an article IS factual, and it should be on the list of WFRR cameos. I can make 3 screenshots to show he appeared THREE TIMES in the film- I am NOT focusing on ONE CAMEO. I am not intending to make a database - I just want to contribute something to an article and have sources to back this up. They are some characters listed on the WFRR camoes list that don't even have any mention of any cameo in WFRR on their article page. What is the big deal about including some info about a cameo(s) from a movie? It is a piece of film history. Yes, this is an encyclopedia, a source of information - it is going to go in "Later Appearances". I am sure that there are some folks who would be interested in knowing Elmer Fudd appeared in WFRR and where. They have tried to make mention of everything Elmer Fudd has appeared in up to the most current thing. Why do other articles mention characters appearing in WFRR and they aren't on the list of WFRR cameos? Mavericker (talk) 17:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The movie itself is what is considered a "primary source" which can be used under limited circumstances. It could be used to argue that "See its true that he DID make a non-speaking cameo!" But it does nothing to answer the "So what? Why would we put it in an encyclopedia article?" -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:56, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Because there is no centralized "editing authority" at Wikipedia, the fact that some other article has something is not really a valid arguement. Just because another article sucks is not a reason that we should make another article a cauldron overflowing with irrelevant trivia. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I want to make picture quality screenshots and submit them as links to the article. Are we allowed to post links to pics at talk sections of articles, or if not, where can I show them first before I do that? And that still doesn't answer the question as to why they took his name off the cameo list, when it was stated where in the film he appeared. As said, I can give page numbers from a magazine and an animation encyclopedia to back this claim up. Mavericker (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

That you cannot do because it is a violation of copyright. see WP:COPYRIGHT and WP:IMAGE for more details. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Other people create screenshots of cartoons and movies that they own copies of on laserdiscs or DVDs or use stills from some other source, and upload them to articles as visuals. How is that a violation of copyright? Mavericker (talk) 18:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The fact that you own a DVD does NOT by any means mean that you are the copyright holder or that you have the right to post images from those DVDs. The technicalities of copyright are beyond my pay grade. You will get better answers for what is permisible under what circumstances at the copyright notice board talk page Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't have to own a DVD or laserdisc or VHS tape to make an image of a cartoon or movie - there's plenty of movie sites where I can make images. How did the people who posts stills from Elmer Fudd cartoons get away with posting them in the article? Mavericker (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesnt matter. In broad terms, you cannot post an image that you do not own the copyright for. And you only get the copyright if you actually created the original work. Have you actually read the links? -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

That isn't true - some user uploaded ElmersCamera.jpg‎ to this article and that pic qualified as "fair use". How could I get my screenshots to count as "fair use"? Mavericker (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

You will find that information by going to the sites that I linked above where they deal with copyright images and helping people understand the rules. -- The Red Pen of Doom 19:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 April 2012

it says "elmer fudd bested bugs" (when it should say busted) in the first or second paragraph. 74.76.198.39 (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: No typo here, see the Wiktionary entry for best. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 19:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 January 2013

Change the name from Elmer J. Fudd to Elmer P. Fudd 194.82.43.228 (talk) 10:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Rivertorch (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Alternate name influence

I am wondering if the character name "Sam Fudd" was influenced by the fictional detective character of Sam Spade. Could the main article be edited to note "possibly influenced by Sam Spade" etc, and if documentation and/or verification can be provided as well. 69.177.225.185 (talk) 04:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

Does anyone have any idea how to get hold of some fair use stills of Egghead and Fat Elmer? I know we have to respect copyright, and I see that an image of Egghead was on the page, challenged, and taken down, but it's frustrating to see descriptions of how the character looked at various stages without actually being able to view an example. Sorry, I'm a relative newbie, and don't know how to go about finding fair use pictures myself. Schoolmann (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Popular culture - Liars “Brats” music video

For the “In popular culture” section this might be noteworthy. The Liars (band) video of the song “Brats” features a kind of surreal version of Elmer Fudd and Bugs bunny: http://inyourspeakers.com/content/news/171-watch-liars-new-video-brats-08062012 --77.179.55.66 (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

duck dodgers

elmer fudd appeared in one episode but the article seem to lack information on who voiced him. please find out and update the article.84.212.111.156 (talk) 08:31, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2017

84.99.129.86 (talk) 11:21, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:24, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2020

In the last sentence of the first paragraph under the "Portrayal" heading, please delete the link for the name "Dave Barry" to the Wikipedia article on the famous American author and columnist Dave Barry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Barry).

The source cited in Reference 9 is a IMDb Trivia page that does name "a" Dave Barry, but it does not assert that it is "the" same Dave Barry who is the subject of the Dave Barry Wikipedia article. Considering that the famous Dave Barry would have been a Sixth Grade student in Armonk, New York on November 1, 1958, I doubt he would have been doing voice acting for Warner Bros. in Hollywood during his school year. If it is the famous Dave Barry, some source for that should be cited. A reference to someone with the same name is insufficient. Yeoman007 (talk) 23:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Instead, I fixed the link; it was already correct in a couple other places on the page. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

End of Egghead

"One of Egghead's final appearances is A Day at the Zoo, which ends with Egghead being swallowed by a lion he had been taunting. Whether intentional or coincidental, this was the end for the Egghead character." How can that be the "end for the Egghead character" when he would make several appearances afterward? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.197.233.120 (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Fred "Tex" Avery's A Feud There Was (from 1938) and Ben Hardaway and Cal Dalton's Count Me Out (also from 1938) confirmed that Egghead (who always had big eyes with a big egg-shaped head and finally has hair in three of his cartoons) and Elmer Fudd were always two separate characters and were created by Fred "Tex" Avery in 1937. Avey created Egghead for Egghead Rides Again (1937) and also created Elmer j. Fudd for Little Red Walking Hood (1937) as well. in the 1970's and 80's, Tex Avery and the other directors and animators accidentally confused the two as the same character when they are not. Then after that, Egghead makes his appearance in Daffy Duck's Quackbusters (1988) while going back to being bald again and wearing Elmer's Clothes and Derby Hat. And Egghead even appeared in the 1990's and 2000 Looney Tunes comic books and in the other movie called Looney Tunes: Back in Action (2003), while still wearing Elmer's clothes and hat, except in Looney Tunes comic issue #220, where Egghead got his hair back. There was a reason why Elmer's actual Squinty-eyed prototype was referred to as "Egghead's Brother" in the new Vitaphone Publicly Sheet (with the "Jan 30, 1939" date on it) for Cinderella Meets Fella (the cartoon that was actually made and released in 1938). Both Egghead and Elmer sometimes have voices that mimics Joe Penner's voice for entertainment purposes. Other people such as David Gerstein (an animation historian) and Eliza confirmed this as well. So, Egghead's final cartoon appearance was actually in Count Me Out (1938). It is the truth. And even Michael Barrier showed that Vitaphone Publicly Sheet (with the "Jan 30, 1939" date on it) for "Cinderella Meets Fella" on his website, and Dave Lee Down Under even shows that same exact sheet in his Evolution of Elmer Fudd and Egghead History Video. But don't be confused by their Joe Penner voices or everyone saying that they are the same character when they are not, Egghead and Elmer J. Fudd were always two Separate characters created by Tex Avery in 1937. Tanktank918305 (talk) 08:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Amateur Gun Enthusiast

In American gun culture, the term "Fudd" is used to refer to an amateur enthusiast who thinks themselves more skilled than they are, similar to use of "newb" in Internet culture. i.e. "This Fudd down at the range nearly knocked himself out with the recoil firing a full .357." I'm relatively certain there's a connection if someone wants to research it. 67.8.203.16 (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Elmer Fudd regains his gun privileges in Season 2 of Looney Tunes Cartoons (and even gets to shoot it)

https://twitter.com/zaccaryvega/status/1413078939698810886?s=21 The no gun policy that was in effect originally for this show has now been lifted for Season 2.

Noel Blanc, son of Mel

In listing the voice actors Noel Blanc should be noted as the son of Mel as voicing Elmer Fudd is one thing that this father and son have in common.49.3.72.79 (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2021

2601:14F:80:CE70:A17A:A800:3F47:E7CB (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC) Just going to put that Eric Bauza still voices Elmer Fudd in Looney Tunes commercials, video games and specials?.

Was that a question? Seems to me like you're not too sure. Like what's the latest commercial, video game, or special Eric Bauza voiced Elmer Fudd in besides the ones listed on here? Brian K. Tyler (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

edit request: disambiguation hatnote

Please change

{{Redirect|Fudd|the abbreviation FUDD|Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and despair|the American basketball player|Azzi Fudd}}

to

{{Redirect|Fudd|the abbreviation FUDD|Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and despair|the American basketball player|Azzi Fudd|the restaurant sometimes called Fudds|Fuddruckers}}

96.244.220.178 (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

Please change the hatnote to account for the disambiguation page Fudd (disambiguation)

Please change

{{Redirect|Fudd|the abbreviation FUDD|Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and despair|the American basketball player|Azzi Fudd}}

"Fudd" redirects here. For the abbreviation FUDD, see Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and despair. For the American basketball player, see Azzi Fudd.

to

{{Redirect|Fudd|other uses|fudd (disambiguation)}}

"Fudd" redirects here. For other uses, see fudd (disambiguation).

-- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done (with just {{Redirect|Fudd}}, as that automatically points to the disambiguation page). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Elmer Fudd is the archenemy of Bugs Bunny ALONGSIDE Yosemite Sam. 151.36.249.68 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear everybody, is there any connection with Elmer fudd and Elmer kieth?

Dear everyone is there any connection with Elmer Fudd and Elmer Kieth? High Down Hill Farm (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2023 (UTC)