Talk:Electric Six discography

Studio Album Canon

User Shetkin is repeatedly removing the albums Mimicry and Memories, Roulette Stars of Metro Detroit and You're Welcome! from inclusion in the band's list of studio albums.

Mimicry and Memories is a two-disc album with disc 1, Mimicry, containing a studio covers album. Disc 2, Memories, is a compilation album containing previously unreleased bits and pieces. There's no reason not to include Mimicry as a studio album as it meets all reasonable requirements to be considered one. It's an album of material recorded specifically for release as an album.

The Roulette Stars of Metro Detroit soundtrack is much the same. Yes, it was released as a soundtrack, but it's comprised of newly recorded songs - some of which aren't even in the relevant film. There are a couple of remixes on there too, but that's still new material from the band. There's no logical reason why a soundtrack album shouldn't be considered a studio album - especially given that this isn't film-score; it's songs. For precedent, look at the inclusion of the Flash Gordon soundtrack amongst Queen's studio albums in on discography page: Queen discography

You're Welcome is the same as Mimicry and Memories except that disc 2 is a live album. There's absolutely no reason why the entire double album should be considered a live album when disc 1 is a full album of newly recorded covers.

Finally, the upcoming Electric SixMas and Chill Out! is the same thing. Disc 1 will be a Christmas album containing mostly covers, but at least one new song. Disc 2 will be a live album. Again, it's stupid to simply categorise this as just a live album.

What's more, Mimicry and Memories and Electric SixMas and Chill Out! both make clear distinctions between each disc (album) in the double-album: Mimicry is the studio album. Memories is the compilation album. Electric SixMas is the studio album. Chill Out! is the live album. The only confusion here might be with You're Welcome! Perhaps it would be best to stylise the individual albums within the double-album as the band did in the release (i.e. disc 1 being "You're Welcome! (Covers Album)" and disc 2 being "You're Welcome! (Live in Oxford)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega cyber turnip (talk • contribs) 18:31, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

After Shetkin's latest removal of these albums from the page, I'd like to present the following as proof that double live and studio albums should be considered real studio albums and included as such in the discography under WikiPedia guidelines. There is a clear precedent for how things are currently listed. See Eat a Peach and The_Allman_Brothers_Band_discography, To Venus and Back and Tori_Amos_discography and Untitled (The Byrds album) and The_Byrds_discography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega cyber turnip (talk • contribs) 20:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Shetkin responded with the following message directly on the page (rather than the talk page). See [[1]] I'm adding it here on their behalf. "Dear friends! In order to deal with our dispute regarding 13 or 17 official Studio albums have the group Electric Six , I contacted the band and personally with Mr. Dick Valentine. And that's what the answer I got: Albums release by XL or Metropolis are “official” studio albums. Kickstarter projects are not the same thing". Let's respect the opinions of the musicians and their contract with the firm Metropolis Records. Thank U very much!"Omega cyber turnip (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

With respect, what the band considers to be canon is irrelevant. Mimicry, Roulette Stars and disc 1 of You're Welcome are, by definition, all studio albums. All three of those studio albums were released to the public under the moniker "Electric Six" Ergo, they're three studio albums by Electric Six. Whether or not Electric Six consider them to be "real" albums or not doesn't factor into whether or not they should be included on the studio albums list here.

Please keep in mind that this isn't a list of "official studio albums". It's just a list of studio albums.

It makes no sense to include them in the live, compilation and soundtrack sections but not the studio sections.

As I've posted above, there is a set precedent for how to handle this sort of thing on WikiPedia and it's to include them. Perhaps there is a way to add the note that the band considers these particular releases "non-canon" as a compromise? I'll look into this.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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