Talk:Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse

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Coat of Arms[edit]

This is the wrong coat of arms. Because Donatus is part of the line of Hessen-Kassel-Rumpenheim. Rumpenheim is a branch of the oldest line Hessen-Kassel. The coat of arms shown belongs to Hessen-Darmstadt an extinct line. 95.222.221.150 (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the wrong coat of arms. Donatus is head of the entire House of Hesse and, as such, is titular Grand Duke and Elector of Hesse (Hesse and by Rhine and Hesse-Cassel). Seven Letters 20:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 March 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus in almost a month. Anarchyte (talk | work) 11:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse → Heinrich Donatus von Hessen – The current title suggests that "Landgrave of Hesse" (Landgraf von Hessen) is his title. In fact, like all German "titles", "Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen" is just a surname and carries no meaning beyond that. We wouldn't put a comma in the title of, say, "Angela, Merkel" or "Bastian, Schweinsteiger", nor would we translate their surnames into English ("Bastian, of Schweinsteig"). "Heinrich Donatus von Hessen" is the title the German Wikipedia uses, and seems like the best combination of names. Smurrayinchester 09:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support The reasoning above is spot on. To be even more explicit: given that it's a surname, it's inappropriate to translate it. We should show the surname "as is", given that it represents the common name. Schwede 66 00:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. These titles are still used and he is still Landgrave of Hesse, whatever the German government says. Per WP:COMMONNAME that's what we should also use. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. See here. This should perhaps have been a multi move as the issues seem identical. Andrewa (talk) 12:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose All given names but only part of surname - makes no sense to me. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

See Talk:Moritz, Landgrave of Hesse#Discussion. Andrewa (talk) 16:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Head of Brabant[edit]

Is he head of Brabant or not? The article House of Brabant says there are no heads and it is extinct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.34.143 (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a valid source cited on that, more trustworthy than unsourced Wikipedia text. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PS Reading the lead of that article would be a good idea: "Junior branches of the male line include the medieval male line of the English House of Percy, Earls of Northumberland, and the German House of Hesse which ruled Hesse from 1264 until 1918 and still exists today." As long as a junior branch is living, so is the house. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So the other article is wrong?

No, The info is well-sourced. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok! I added it to the article! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.39.108 (talk) 12:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name in the intro of the article[edit]

In my opinion, this article should follow the common practice as most articles on persons following WP:COMMONNAME: While the article name is the common name, which is sensible, in the article intro the official name should be used, followed by an explanation of the common name. --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 07:34, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

see also MOS:BIRTHNAME and MOS:LEGALNAME --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

kinship[edit]

I would replace

He is a distant cousin of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, whose funeral he attended. The two are related through the Duke's British-born mother and a Princess of Battenberg by birth, Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark,

with

He is a third cousin once removed of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, whose funeral he attended, both being descended from Prince William of Hesse-Kassel (1787–1867); and also related to him by marriage …

Comments? Tamfang (talk) 01:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Short descriptor[edit]

This article has a short description WP:SDESC German Royal. That's absurd. There is no German royal family. Hmcst1 (talk) 17:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC) Hmcst1 (talk) 18:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A short description is Wikipedia-specific and relates to an individual encyclopedia article here on the English Wikipedia. Hmcst1 (talk) 18:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]