Talk:Disney International HD

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2017

Disney Channel India used to air live action Disney Channel originals from the US such as Hannah Montana. Later Disney India stopped airing American live-action series in favour of animation and local content. 2405:204:4391:199:3F68:25D4:3322:7897 (talk) 08:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2017

I wanted to edit this article for good. 2405:204:4296:503C:7CE0:CA89:9EAA:94B5 (talk) 12:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:11, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Why @Beemer69: is intent on oversimplifying the article and making arbitrary edits?

May we know why Mr Editor with a high-status has kept "editing" this article in either one-way or the other just to truncate it as much as possible? And why was he raising protest to simple formats like grammatical-styling when that's the norm everywhere? And why does he think omitting one data while not touching the other when both are the cases under the same probable reasoning is "okay?"

Yes, he might be an "Extended Confirmed User" or whatever else experience he had under his account. But why should editors having lower status than him should not question his drastic-steps at all? Are they inferior and his actions need not to be justified by citation of Wikipedia guidelines merely because of his status?

Nothing personal. I also had my previous edits been reverted by editors having higher status than mine in past, too. Sometimes for not-so-clear reasons and often, for upfront reasons. But I never felt the need to vehemently protest against it — until now. Mohd.maaz864 (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Moving to Disney India

@Spshu: why are you keeping moving this page to Disney India? It has a complete programming list with full channel information with enough sources. All the other Disney India channels, have their own pages and program lists. User 261115 (talk) 14:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

It was explained to you at your talk page. And you have fought against incubating it at Disney India. Effectively, this article is a draft, as again the Notability standard has not been met. Spshu (talk) 14:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Then why is UTV Action a separate page which has hardly any info? You're gonna say it's notable right? Are you just targeting DIHD? User 261115 (talk) 14:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Also, the other Disney India channels, including UTV Action, may not meet notability. I just have not evaluated them. Again existing doesn't mean that it gets its own article. And not getting around to UTV Action or any of the other is not targeting DIHD. Spshu (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I have read what you said at Bankster user talk and I have removed the localised show information. Also, this morning I have changed the source from the TV Guide to a page at the official Disney India corporate website which was recently added. Since it is a website from Disney India itself it is a reliable source. And about major media, not every single channel needs to be covered by large media sources. User 261115 (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Content discussion

Spshu Don't just replace everything with whatever you want. First discuss your reasoning here. And the previous infobox was fine, I seriously don't know how you have a problem with it. User 261115 (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

You and/or others are the one that has replace the order of the infobox from its standard order. It also directs editors that the infobox page to: "If you don't know what to type in, don't delete it, just leave it blank there, and it won't be shown." Thus you should not have removed unused fields as that forces experienced editors to retype the field or go back to the infobox's page. You did not discuss it here.

My version has everything cited/ref. and has all general information in the lead section as none of it justifies a separate section yet and doesn't need to be in history. Background does not have enough for a paragraph nor a section, though it should be it own section, but best fits in with history. And I give additional history and cover all show in the programs section. Spshu (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

• Also, I correct to the MOS ("Citations should not be placed within, or on the same line as, section headings.") by removing references from the header.
• I don't see the point in laundry listing all Disney India channels as sister channel instead of list those of the cable network, ie. channels that are brand similar (ie. Disney named) and for programming overflow, which DI is doing with live programming from the Disney Channel. Also in adding the network, Disney Channels Worldwide|Disney, and division (its broadcasting unit) that DI channel ruins what?
• "The channel will be primarily funded by subscriptions with secondary revenue from advertising." This sentence was move to the lead (given there isn't much more to pare it with for a section) and source.
• You are also making assumptions in stating "The channel will be the exclusive home to live action Disney Channel and Disney XD original content such as..." as it could pull from Disney-ABC's Freeform/ABC Family or ABC. While a some what reasonable assumption give the list of shows, the sources don't come out and say this is the case plus it is PRy with "exclusive".

If there is any thing else I missed explaining ask. Spshu (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

One thing I don't understand is the programming list. You are only including shows that have sources, but it's impossible to have a source for every single show that comes out on the channel. Thus the list stays outdated. User 261115 (talk) 06:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

The list will always be out dated. WP is not suppose to be complete (WP:NOTEVERYTHING). Spshu (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

There is no Maldives version of Disney International HD. It's the Indian one. Stop forcing your assumption upon others. And about the programme list, there are many other pages that have complete lists. User 261115 (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I am not forcing my assumption upon any one, you are assuming. The Maldive version as explained else where, the source(s) doesn't clearly indicate that it is a feed of the India channel. They could be getting the programming directly from Disney via sat or internet.

WP:OTHERSTUFF, clearly indicates that you cannot use what happens at other articles to dicate what happens at the article you are currently arguing about. As, those article may have been hit by vandals or well meaning editors not following the rules. Again, see WP:NOTEVERYTHING plus you must source. Spshu (talk) 03:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Actually, Spshu, you're wrong. You are assuming Disney launched its three networks in Maldives as independent feeds from India, which is far from true and those sources give no indication that these are autonomous signals, but same channels distributed from Mumbai. As the source doesn't "clearly indicate" if it's another feed or not, you can't impose your own will against other users who tell you otherwise. Your own statement doesn't make any sense: "They could be getting the programming directly from Disney via sat or internet." Right there you're assuming something that is not. Dhiraagho is a IPTV provider distributing the channel on its TV system, regardless of how are they doing it.

Even though you haven't provide any arguments at all supporting your claims, you're now avoiding this situation with WP:NOT, despite not being related with any of the points stated in the policy. Stop assuming and avoiding to give other people the word, as you are failing to do. --Bankster (talk) 08:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

You are making the assumption that I am assuming any thing. Giving an alternative scenario is not says that this is the case. Your explainations are assumptions that these are following the previous pattern, which we have no source for. All we have that the channels are in the Maldives with no connection to the India version except similar names. Spshu (talk) 14:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

So basically, you just want to put COMPLETELY FALSE INFORMATION about DIHD in Maldives, right?? The Maldives is getting the exact same channel as the one in India, via satellite using a receiver installed at the provider's headend. From there they are distributed to customers. User 261115 (talk) 15:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

←It is not verified, claims of "completely false information" is a false argument here. Either learn WP policy or leave. Spshu (talk) 22:45, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Spshu:, you just committed a violation of etiquette against @User 261115:. You're directly telling him to leave Wikipedia if he doesn't learn the sites's policies, even though he cited them multiple times against you regarding your disruptive edits on Disney International HD, Disney Channels Worldwide and Disney Channel (India). I'm sorry but if you continue to behave like that, I'll be taking this issue to WP:AIV. Cheers. --Bankster (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

So, I tell him not to violate policy (or leave), the norms of website, and you claim that is a violation of etiquette. Really, if 26115 doesn't want to follow policy nor etiquette, then why is he here? He has has been warned about his disruptive editing first then only comes the retaliatory false warnings. I am not disruptive or add errors by trying to use neutral language on the Maldive issue. If that was a violation of etiquette then reporting me to AIV be a violation too. Take it to AIV and you might find that it boomerangs. Spshu (talk) 13:04, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

1. Humgana is part of the Disney networks as it was purchase in 2006 by Disney India prior to control of UTV (2012).
2. What does what the Disney Channel India showing American live sitcom "dubbed in Hindi until 2010" do with Disney International? Second, the sourced doesn't support this. An article source, tpost0, deals with Disney Channel India dropping live sitcoms in January 2016, which does have to with this channel. As that clears them to be exclusive available for DI channel.
3. "Best of Luck Nikki" is not per the source an adaptation of an American show (nor is this relevant to this channel). Nor does the source indicate that these locally produced shows will air on this channel or any other relationship to this channel.
4. Sources should not be in headers per MOS.
5. Under NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTEVERYTHING, all programs that air on the channel should not be listed as all are not original programming for the channel. Thus we should limit to non-primary reliable sourcing. Spshu (talk) 19:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes Hungama was acquired in 2006 and is now part of the Disney India Media Networks division. So is Disney Channel, Disney XD, Disney Junior, Bindass, UTV Action and UTV Movies.

This channel was launched to air American live action shows of Disney Channel as Disney Channel India stopped airing them near end of 2010 in favour of making their own adaptations. Best of Luck Nikki was the adaptation of Good Luck Charlie, The Suite Life of Karan and Kabir was the adaptation of The Suite Life of Zack and Cody for example. During this period they did not air any American live action show. In 2016 they stopped live action completely and it became a 100% animation channel. There was no way to watch American live action shows on Indian TV until this channel was launched. But unlike during the old Disney Channel days, Disney International HD does not have a Hindi audio track and the shows are only available in English. There will be no local Indian shows on this channel.

They are original programming as they are Disney's own shows, they are just putting it in a separate channel as the target demographic for Disney Channel India is different compared to before 2011. Same for Disney XD India. DIHD also has Disney XD sitcoms as Disney XD India does not air them and only animation. User 261115 (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

1. (sister channels issue) Doesn't matter that Bindass, UTV Action and UTV Movies are run under the Disney India Media Networks division. A division isn't necessarily a cable network of sister channels. See the Viacom example at WP:NC-BC (in which the example only give only 1 network of Viacom Media Networks) and look at Viacom Media Networks. Viacom Media Networks has four networks of sister channels, music & entertainment, MTV, BET and Nickelodeon. Humgana is a kids animation channel and was purchase as a being complementary to the Disney channels. It isn't an ownership or free for all, the channels must have some connection like variation on a name Disney Channel/International/Junior or clearly spun off from. Disney on TV (India) shows the follow channels: "Disney Channel • Disney XD • Disney Junior • Hungama TV • Disney International HD" not any of the other channels.

2. (Hindi dubbing on DC India) & 3. (DC India local adaptations) Going on about the channel and its purpose doesn't cure the issue that the source doesn't support the sentence "Disney Channel India used to air American live action shows dubbed in Hindi until 2010, when it started making its own adaptations of American series like Best of Luck Nikki."[5] The only thing that it confirms is that it is a local production and the name of the show - it doesn't even specific that it is live action or animated.

5. Original programming is that was created for first run on that channel - I would included local adaptations. No new programming is being made for DI. The programming used on Disney International was first run on some other channel, in this case, Disney Channel (US) currently and possible Disney XD. Spshu (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC)