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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 16:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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I'll review this one soon --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Artist parameter should cite as the Starting Line instead since "Studio album by" precedes their identity in the infobox
  • Use bullet points instead for separating the genres; do not use flastlist or hlist though
  • Target Island to Island (Float Away)
  • Add the "It was released..." sentence as the second of the lead, with the label mentioned in it
  • "promotion for Based on a True Story (2005)," → "promotion for their 2005 album, Based on a True Story,"
  • Remove wikilink on Virgin Records as this will be the second mention in the new order
  • "spent the remainder of year" → "spent the remainder of 2006"
  • "Sessions for their next album" → "Sessions for the album" since we know it won't be about Based on a True Story due to the timestamp
  • "between February and May 2007" → "from February to May 2007"
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the band's vocalist and bassist" → "the Starting Line's vocalist and bassist"
  • Change up-tempo to uptempo and wikilink to itself
 Not done and look at MOS:LINK2SECT
  • "the track "Island" was released as a single before the band" → "the track "Island" was released as the lead single from Direction before the Starting Line" with the appropriate target
  • "the following month. A music video for "Island" was released before Direction's release on July 31, 2007" → "the following month, during which a music video for the track was released" with the appropriate wikilink
  • "Direction sold 20,000 copies in its first week" → "The album sold 20,000 first-week copies in the US"
  • "the Billboard 200 and received a mostly positive reception" → "the Billboard 200, and received mostly positive reviews"
  • Target music critics to Music journalism
  • "complimenting the band's growth and the album's catchy songs" → "complimenting the Starting Line's growth and the catchy songs"
  • "and co-headlined a US tour with Paramore" → "and co-headlined a tour in the country with Paramore, both of which were in the fall of 2007"
  • "In Australia in early 2008, the Starting Line performed at Soundwave Festival prior" → "In early 2008, the Starting Line performed at the Soundwave Festival in Australia, prior"

Background[edit]

  • Remove wikilink on the Starting Line
  • "submitted for their second album" → "submitted for their second studio album"
  • [1][2] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
  • "was released in May 2005" → "was ultimately released in May 2005"
  • "Geffen Records de-prioritized the album" → "Geffen de-prioritized the album"
  • "and despite the band's increasing popularity" → "and despite the Starting Line's increasing popularity"
  • "very little promotion for its lead single" → "a lack of promotion for the lead single" with the wikilink
  • "From late September to late November 2005, the group" → "From late September to late November of 2005, the band"
  • "On November 3" → "On November 3 of that year"
  • "The group were aiming to" → "The band were aiming to"
  • "already written 12–15 songs for it.[7] They spent" → "already written 12–15 songs for it at the time, with them spending"
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [6][7] should both be solely at the end of the sentence in the new order
  • "it was announced the band" → "it was announced that the Starting Line"
  • "signed the group after" → "signed the band after"
  • "Between early February and early April 2006" → "Between the early periods of both February and April 2006"
  • "during the tour, the band's guitarist" → "during the tour, the guitarist"
  • "Schmutz was still a touring member but was expected" → "Schmutz was still a touring member and was expected"
  • "Following the tour's conclusion, the group" → "Following the tour's conclusion, the band"
  • "to write their next record" → "for writing the album"
  • "the group wrote new material and demoed songs" → "the Starting Line wrote new material and recorded demos of songs"
  • "By August" → "By August of that year"
  • Are you sure the closing sentence shouldn't be in Release and promotion instead?
The Tournado 2006 trek was before the album was recorded so it wouldn't make sense to put with the release info. Yeepsi (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Production[edit]

  • [10][12] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done since they need to be in numerical order --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and by May they were adding the final touches" → "and by May, they were in the final stages"
  • "Sessions took place at" → "Recording sessions took place at"
  • "Benson acted as producer while" → "Howard Benson served as producer, while"
  • "Hatsukazu Inagaki served as engineer with technical assistance" → "Hatsukazu Inagaki was the engineer, with technical assistance" with the target
  • "During the sessions, the band's guitarist Matt Watts" → "During the sessions, Watts" since you have already introduced him
  • "and some he borrowed from Benson" → "and some that were borrowed from Benson"
  • "He used this brand of guitars" → "The former used that brand of guitars" with the wikilink
  • "programming to the recordings. Session musicians" → "programming to the recordings, while session musicians" with the target
 Not done since session musicians shouldn't be capitalised at all --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Target Island to Island (Float Away)
  • "while Muhoberac added keyboards to" → "whereas Muhoberac added keyboards to"
  • ""21", "Island", "Hurry", "Something Left to Give", "Need to Love" and "What You Want"" → "the track, alongside "21", "Island", "Hurry", "Something Left to Give" and "Need to Love""
 Not done "contributed percussionthe track," → "contributed percussion to the track," --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Composition[edit]

  • Retitle to Music and lyrics
  • "vocalist/bassist Kenny Vasoli wrote music" → "vocalist and bassist Kenny Vasoli wrote music for Direction"
  • "simplistic grooves rather than" → "simplistic grooves, rather than"
  • "of their past work" → "of the Starting Line's past work"
  • "the rest of the band" → "the other members"
  • "on which they would give their opinions" → "which they would give their opinions of"
  • "From this, the group" → "From this, the band"
  • "wanted to break out of the group's" → "wanted to break away from their"
  • [2][15] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
  • "in the vein of" → "similar to the work of"
  • "Because the drum parts go through" → "Due to the drum parts going through"
  • "it would be better" → "Vasoli thought it would be better"
  • "recording the bass to write parts" → "recording the bass before writing parts"
  • "drawing comparisons to music" → "with comparisons being drawn to music"
  • ""Direction" touches on southern rock with" → ""Direction" includes elements of southern rock, with"
  • [10][20] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it discusses the themes" → "the song discusses the themes"
  • Change up-tempo to uptempo and wikilink to itself
 Not done per MOS:LINK2SECT --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [17][19][20] should all be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and was compared to" → "and was compared to the music of"
  • "In the track, Vasoli looking back" → "On the track, Vasoli looks back"
  • [19][20] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Target verse to Verse (music)
  • "section with what Vasoli called" → "section, with what Vasoli called"
  • Target chord to Chord (music)
  • "and planned to have" → "and the Starting Line planned to have"
  • "chords playing over that" → "chords playing over it"
  • "The band were stuck with" → "The band became stuck on"
  • Target chorus to Refrain
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which they did after two days" → "which they succeeded in doing after two days"
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "presence on stage, and" → "stage presence, and"
  • "of a note to his ghost,[19]" → "of a note to his ghost.[19]" since the new sentence should begin after this
  • Target acoustic to Acoustic music
  • Target ballad to Sentimental ballad
  • [1][21] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "who expected the band" → "who expected the Starting Line"
  • "is about taking chances" → "is about taking a chance"
  • Target pop to Pop music
  • [20][21][23] should all be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was compared to" → "was compared to the music of"
  • "it is about people's yearning" → "the song is about people's yearning"
  • "the initials of the group's debut" → "the initials of their debut studio album"
  • "was the first track written for the album" → "was the first track written for Direction"
  • Wikilink New York City to itself
  • Wikilink Philadelphia to itself
  • "In the album's closing track "What You Want", Vasoli" → "On the album's closing track, "What You Want", Vasoli"

Release and promotion[edit]

  • Img needs a full-stop at the end of main text
  • Target streaming to Streaming media and mention it was through MySpace
  • "was announced for release in July" → "was announced for release in July of that year"
  • "for streaming on May 17" → "for streaming on May 17, 2007"
  • Mention the single release was in the US or add more citations to that ref for backing up it was in various countries
  • [26][27][28] should all be solely at the end of the sentence
  • "and was released to radio a week later" → "and was serviced to radio a week later" with the target
  • "From early July to late August 2007" → "From early July to late August" since the tour's year being mentioned makes it specific that this was in 2007
  • "On July 18, a music video" → "On July 18 of that year, a music video" with the wikilink
  • "that was filmed in California in early June" → "that had been filmed in California during early June"
  • "on July 27,[32] and was released on July 31" → "on July 27, 2007, and was released on July 31"
  • [25][32] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
 Not done they need to be numerically ordered --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [33][34] ditto
  • Mention the album release was in the US or add more citations to that ref for backing up it was in various countries
  • "the latter released in January 2008, include" → "the latter of which was released in January 2008, both include"
  • "on a headlining US tour with support" → "on a headlining US tour, with support"
  • "In February 2008, the Starting Line appeared at the Soundwave Festival in Australia[37]" → "The Starting Line appeared at the Soundwave Festival in Australia, in February 2008,"
  • [37][38][39] should all be solely at the end of the sentence
  • "on which they were supported" → "during which they were supported"
  • "Four Year Strong[38] and" → "Four Year Strong, and"
  • [40][41] should both be solely at the end of the sentence
  • Target to The Bamboozle should solely be on Bamboozle instead of Bamboozle festivals
  • "Following this, the group went on indefinite hiatus" → "Following on from this, the band went on an indefinite hiatus"

Reception[edit]

  • Favorable and Mixed should not be capitalised in the ratings box
  • Blogcritics is a violation of WP:SELFPUB so remove it from here
  • Punknews.org → Punk News
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first para should be the last of the section instead and move the first sentence of it to being the third instead
  • "selling 20,000 copies in its first week" → "with first-week sales of 20,000 copies"
  • "The album has been cited" → "It has been cited"
  • "The album received a mostly positive reaction from music critics" → "Direction was met with mostly positive reviews from music critics" with the target
  • "said the band conceptualized" → "said the Starting Line conceptualized"
  • "noted while it retained the pop punk" → "noted that while it retained the pop punk"
  • "it comes across as slightly more" → "the album came across as slightly more"
  • "found while Vasoli lacked" → "found that while Vasoli lacks"
  • "he and the rest of the band" → "he and the other members"
  • "throughout the record" → "throughout Direction"
  • "Aaron Burgess said; "Vasoli" → "Aaron Burgess said: "Vasoli"
  • Remove the Blogcritics review for my earlier explanation
  • "praised the record as being" → "praised the album for being"
  • "Punknews.org staff member GlassPipeMurder" → "Punk News staff member GlassPipeMurder"
 Not done --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "pop-punk tracks ... there are too many" → "pop-punk tracks", the album includes "too many"
  • "criticized the album as being "another formulaic record" but" → "criticized the album for being "another formulaic record", but"

Track listing[edit]

  • Track listing per booklet.[13] → Track listing adapted from the booklet of Direction.[13]
  • Writer(s) and Producer(s) should be included here; if all tracks were written and/or producer by certain member(s), just write that at the bottom with source
Booklet doesn't mention writing credits. Yeepsi (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add citation(s) for the bonus track
  • Target iTunes to iTunes Store

Personnel[edit]

  • Retitle to Credits and personnel
  • Personnel per booklet.[13] → Credits adapted from the booklet of Direction.[13]

Charts[edit]

*Add this table even though it is just for one chart

  • Good

References[edit]

Citations

  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • Copyvio score looks good at 28.1%
  • Are you sure refs 1 and 19 don't violate WP:USERGEN since they are from forum threads?
They're written by staff members. Yeepsi (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware of that but why is showthread in the title and then there's forum style replies below? Still unsure about this... --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, all news/interviews/band pages on that website had the showthread in the URL. The website's actual forum/message board had a slightly different layout. (As a side note, Rock Sound's website used to have the same kind of layout until they changed it 2007/8.) Yeepsi (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh thanks for making me aware of that, since nothing writes AbsolutePunk, criterion 2b is now a pass --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 5, 17 and 35 should cite Punk News as the publisher instead
  • Ref 6 should be titled Photos : Youtube.com instead
  • Ditto for refs 10 and 31 because it is clear they aren't duplicates due to the different archive dates
 Not done I meant to title them all the same since that's accurate --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove SPIN Staff from ref 12 since that's not a name and delete the publisher parameter too
  • Remove wikilink on The Starting Line for ref 13
  • Delete ref 18 per WP:SELFPUB
  • Remove the publisher from ref 19
  • Remove Diane Casazza, Chris Farinas from ref 22
  • Ref 27 should cite iTunes Store as publisher instead with the wikilink; if you want to verify a various release; take "All Day" for example
  • Retitle ref 28 to Alternative eWeekly and cite AllAccess as the publisher All Access Music Group instaed
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 32 and 39 and cite Punk News as the publisher
  • Cite iTunes Store as publisher instead for ref 33
 Not done remove the wikilink but keep it as publisher --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilinks for the publishers of ref 34
  • Delete the publisher of ref 44

Sources

  • Good

External links[edit]

  • Good

Final comments and verdict[edit]

 On hold for a week until you fix the issues. --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Yeepsi (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeepsi Nice work but you missed a few things, which I have commented on above. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Yeepsi (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Pass on this now, all good! --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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