Talk:Derry GAA

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I'd suggest that someone in the know would add the full Senior Football and or hurling squad to the page, see Dublin for the used format? Frainc 18:37 22 January 2007

Londonderry to Derry

While I'm aware of the WP:IMOS and while i genrally agree with it, I think we should make an exception in this case and say it is responsable for GAA in County Derry. I think the vast majority people who are interested in GAA would say Derry and wouldn't be too happy about this saying Londonderry and probably rightly aswell. The H-Man2 19:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

No sorry. It's responsible for the organisation of GAA in the county of Londonderry. The GAA may refer to it as Derry, and that's its right, but the county is called Londonderry. This has been gone through many times in man places. Ben W Bell talk 03:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Come on it looks a bit ridiculous to say Derry GAA represents County Londonderry. Talk about consistency! The H-Man2 20:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Derry GAA covers GAA goings on in the location known as County Londonderry. They may call it County Derry, but the county is called Londonderry and has never been known as County Derry in any official capacity. As you say you've read WP:IMOS. Ben W Bell talk 23:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ben to the point that the county is officially called "County Londonderry" and it IS the county that the Derry Cummann of the GAA represent, however, Ben, you must realise that a significant proportion of the county and indeed country refer to BOTH city and county as "Derry" and as such, since this is a GAA article, most of the readers will be of the nationalist persuasion and of a "Derry" recognition. To cater yet again for both POV's i have edited the ONE INSTANCE of the county name that comes up in this article and for arguments sake, i have referred to the county as County Derry/Londonderry. Now before there is yet another argument, I have put Derry before Londonderry as this is a GAA article and will be read mostly by nationalists.
For future sakes I would like all nationalist and unionist readers to maybe try and refer to the county by both Derry/Londonderry or vice versa depending on what the article is on (weather a nationalist Derry/Londonderry topic, or a unionist Londonderry/Derry topic). By recognising and using BOTH versions of the name,this will show respect to the opinions of your neighbours which may be different to your own. I" know that the county is officially called Londonderry, however please remember this was not by a democratic vote, nor the will of the inhabitants of the county. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  01:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have now changed it back to County Londonderry. The county is called County Londonderry, it's relatively simple. I may not like it, you may not like it, readers may not like it, but fact is unfortunately fact. We cannot alter and represent these things in ways just because we don't like them. No the county name wasn't decided by democratic vote, it was decided by the government of the land within which it lies. And on Wikipedia we don't use / to show both viewpoints. If you wish to raise this as a conversation topic then please do so on the talk page for WP:IMOS but until there is a community consensus on the MOS page then it must remain County Londonderry. It's not even as muddled as the name of the city debate as there has never in the history of Ireland/United Kingdom/Northern Ireland/Europe been a County Derry, it's simply a name used by some people as they dislike the actual name. Ben W Bell talk 02:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes Ben I agree with you, the name was decided by the British Government of the time without the will of the people, though this is undemocratic, it remained. It is an unfortunate fact that naming issues with this area is a sore point for both communities, however you must be well aware that on Derry postcards, the term is shown with a "/" to highlight the three used names for the county and city Derry/Londonderry/Doire, and thus I believe that it is a fair compromise for Wikipedia too to stop this pettiness I am seeing on a consistantly on this site and do likewise. My next point is to inform you that you are incorrect in stating that Derry is, "simply a name used by some people as they dislike the actual name." and it is wrong of you to state this as fact. Every county name (in English language) in Ireland is an anglicised word that comes from an Irish word or group of words used to describe the general area given to it by the Gaelic people of that area at that time. When the english introduced their county administrations to the country, they based the county name on the area that it incorporated from the old Gaelic locals. Doire Cholm Chille (Colm Cilles' Oak Wood) was the area that formed county Derry/Londonderry, and thus the name Derry preceeds that of Londonderry. Londonderry only come about when the London livery companies were rewarded by their government of that time for their trade with Derry and thus the London- name was added to it. Look up the history of Derry for further information on this matter. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  18:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Clearly in this article reference should be made to County Derry and not County 'London'derry. 1) County Derry redirects freely to County 'London'derry, a name which is itself just an old relic of the sectarian, oppressive, imperialist regime that has plagued the six counties for the past several hundred years. 2) The first line of the County 'London'derry article begins with: 'County Londonderry or County Derry (Irish: Contae Dhoire) is one of the six counties of Northern Ireland in the province of Ulster in Ireland.'

Thus implying that both County Derry and County 'London'derry are equally acceptable titles for the county. Given that this is an article about GAA in the County of Derry, the rational thing to do is to reference the county as County Derry as this is how the overwhelming majority of the followers of Derry GAA and GAA in general refer to it. ClandestineStoichkov —Preceding comment was added at 20:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

We should represent a neutral POV on wikipedia, which I'm sorry to say the above comment does not showing the comment "a name which is itself just an old relic of the sectarian, oppressive, imperialist regime that has plagued the six counties for the past several hundred years". The name of the county in which the Derry GAA organises sports is County Londonderry. Some do indeed call and refer to it as County Derry, but this is something that has no official weight. There has never been a County Derry in the history of Ireland, Northern or otherwise. Since Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopaedia it needs to use actual names. Please try and maintain a neutral perspective on edits to the encyclopaedia. Ben W Bell talk 21:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing 'neutral' about the term 'London'derry. What counts as official weight? The consensus reached amongst the master race protestant unionist ascendancy class? The position of the British government? This is an article about Derry GAA. Here is the official Derry GAA website: http://www.derrygaa.ie/ Note the wording on the top bar of your web browser, it should read: GAA in County Derry.

Clearly you have no interest in this article. You only seek to push your bigoted agenda onto those from a nationalist background. Hence your preoccupation with monitoring this page, clearly a subject with which you have absolutely no interest. ClandestineStoichkov

I would like to direct you to the Wikipedia policy on WP:No Personal Attacks and invite you to remove the above message. Yes the Derry GAA refers to the county as County Derry, but that doesn't make the name of the county County Derry. The county is still called County Londonderry no matter how people choose to refer to it. I also wasn't aware that protestant unionists were a master race, but it would explain the attitudes of some protestant unionists if it was true, not that a religious affiliation and political motivation can ascribe anything towards genetics and race so I'm afraid I'm at a complete loss there. As for the position of the British government, yes of course. Last time I checked County Londonderry was in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom and governed by the government of said same nation. So yes what they say and name a county is the official weight on the subject. Ben W Bell talk 23:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ben you obviously have far too much time on your hands. The organisation in question, that this article is about say Derry. Why keep changing it, noone is going to ban you from your precious wikipedia if you dont! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.159.26 (talk) 19:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Consensus is to use Londonderry for the county, and Derry for the city. If it's not important then why do you keep changing it? Canterbury Tail talk 01:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Because the GAA call it doire,not londaindoire or whatever it would be. You are not being impartial here, you are being a prod. The article is about GAA, and the GAA call it Derry, therefore it is Derry in thier eyes. Stop being such a sectarian bigot, and leave it be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.159.26 (talk) 02:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Please be aware of the compromise. The County Derry team is called County Derry because that is what it is called. However the County itself, as in the geographic entity, is called County Londonderry as that is its official name. These have been agreed to by Wikipedia editors, county called Londonderry and city called Derry. It matters not that the Derry GAA themselves refer to the county as Derry, a lot of people in Northern Ireland refer to the country to the south as "Down South", but we're not putting that in an article.

As for I'm being a prod and a sectarian bigot, you know absolutely 0 about my religious or political leanings and I get called protestant bigot and republican fanactic on a relatively equal basis. Which is quite frankly amusing to anyone who actually knows my religious and political leanings. However, on a serious note stop bringing your own personal viewpoints into the discussion and stick to the agreed upon compromise on Wikipedia among editors. Canterbury Tail talk 12:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you are bringing politics into sport. Derry GAA are a Derry team, from Derry, same as city of Derry RFC, Derry City FC etc. Doire GAA doesn't represent Londonderry, it represents a area that it refers to as Derry, the same as the South do. If wikipedia is an international, impartial encyclopedia, it should take into account the members of Derry GAA's preference, and also the terminology of the island, who refer to it as Derry everywhere outside of the occupied 6, you may or may not understand this, not living in Ireland, but by constantly refering to Derry as representing Londonderry, you are being incredibly sectarian and missing the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.159.26 (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No I think you are missing the point. People refer to it as County Derry, yes that is a fact. People also call the county County Londonderry, this is also a fact. The official name of the county it is referring to is County Londonderry. There has never been, in the history of Ireland, a geographic area called County Derry, it is a colloquial name being used. Yes some refer to it as such, but it doesn't affect the fact that the official name of the county is County Londonderry and Wikipedia uses the official names, not what some have a preference on it. The city of Derry has a somewhat exception on this due to council naming and references, but the name of the county as an entity has always been County Londonderry. The GAA is welcome to call it whatever it wants, they can refer to it as County Fred for all they like, but on Wikipedia we use County Londonderry for the name since that is the actual name of the county. What the rest of the island calls it is completely irrelevant since it's another country and has no say over the naming of something in Northern ireland.

As for not living in Ireland, who says I don't live in Ireland? And it is only you who is claiming sectarian views on this, I'm merely keeping Wikipedia policies and agreements, agreements agreed to by peoople on "both" sides of the "divide". Canterbury Tail talk 15:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You've bypasssed the point, once again. The GAA is based in Dublin. If you were to drive North, from Dublin, street signs would read "Doire, Derry." As the GAA is administrating from the Irish Free State/ Republic, surely it should therefore be refered to as they do in thier legal capacity, and not that of Britain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.159.26 (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting point; of course as the signs in the area this GAA club is bashed say County Londonderry, and no signs down south will say "County Derry" or "County Londonderry" at all by your argument your changes are incorrect. --Blowdart | ^talk 16:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if this would be such a big deal if the shoe was on the other foot, and this was a protestant sport/ argument? --193.61.159.26 (talk) 16:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

View the history on Derry; it pretty much is; petty people on both sides ignore facts and consensus. --Blowdart | ^talk 16:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

This discussion is stuffed full of I dont like it. IMOS is quite explicit, and there is no discussion to be had here. Envoking any amount of POV in discussion will not alter that.Traditional unionist (talk) 19:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

This argument is circular and pointless. I welcome all interest in the GAA but it's a shame that some people are using this opportunity purely to provoke. Why not compromise and avoid any explicit mention of the official county name? I have changed the opening paragraph to reflect similar information to the Fermanagh page: The Fermanagh County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Fear Manach) or Fermanagh GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland. The county board is also responsible for the Fermanagh inter-county teams. Corrico (talk) 13:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)Corrico

If we're going to go down that route, then it needs to say "Londonderry inter-county teams", not "Derry". I don't think there was any problem with how the lead stood before, however – the team calls itself Derry GAA but the county's name is, by law and by Wikipedia consensus, Londonderry. I haven't reverted for now, but I image someone else will. You should have discussed this first. JonChapple^Talk 13:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I disagree (no surprise). The lead now refers to Derry GAA teams. There may be GAA teams in Londonderry. However, there are no Londonderry GAA teams. Like there is no Londonderry GAA. It does not refer directly to the geographical area of the county and thus avoids the controversial naming dispute surrounding the name of the county. Corrico (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)Corrico

I've reverted your latest edit. This isn't like the Fermanagh GAA article because there is a county called County Fermanagh, so there's not as much need to mention it. According to WP:IMOS—and the government of the country in which the county is located, but let's not go down that route just now—there is no county called Derry, so it's neccessary to state its jurisdiction. JonChapple^Talk 18:31, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Jonchapple, you removed my edit because there is "no reason why this article should be alone in not stating the county it represents." No other county in Ireland has a politically charged dispute over its name. I sought to avoid this dispute by not referring to the county's name directly. The lead you replaced follows the exact same syntax used in Fermanagh GAA so there is precendence. Therefore I have reverted the lead to my prior version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corrico (talk • contribs) 18:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

We already have a way of dealing with said politically-charged dispute on Wikipedia – we refer to the county by its full, official name and the city by its truncated nickname (see WP:LDERRY). Please don't make this change again without consensus. JonChapple^Talk 18:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

As I pointed out, I was trying to avoid the dispute by not referring directly to the jurisdiction. The Manual of Style states that you should keep a neutral point of view. I hope in future you'll pay it some heed. As an aside, in your eagerness to incite you've neglected the grammatical accuracy of the sentence you've included. Peace out. Corrico —Preceding undated comment added 19:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC).

I've no problem with avoiding disputes, but one can't not include the jurisdiction anywhere in the article, especially if the name of the board is different to the name of the county. It wasn't my sentence (I only reverted your changes), but thanks for pointing out the error. I'll change it now. Best, JonChapple^Talk 19:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The consensus on Wikipedia is Londonderry for the county and Derry for the city, and the official name of an organisation to use what it uses i.e. Port of Londonderry and Derry GAA. Regardless of what an organisation calls itself in this county, they are in County Londonderry and//or the city of Derry according to the IMOS. There is no reason to hide that for alleged "neutrality". Is the removal of it altogether despite the consensus not censorship to not have Londonderry stated? Is that neutral? I don't think so. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Look at the wikipedia article for the county if you want, both are used. So both are correct. This sort of nitpicking by editors is unhelpful and some people need to get over themselves, just let common sense prevail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.196.2 (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Defacto Londonderry

The Derry GAA board have never stated that they are responsible for Gaelic Games in County Londonderry but in a county called Derry. While the two areas are identical from a realistic point of view, the are only defacto responsible for GAA in County Londonderry. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Except the county called Derry doesn't exist and has never existed. The standing convention is that the county is named Londonderry on wikipedia, and the city Derry, despite that city namebeing of dubious correctness. --Blowdart | ^talk 23:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not question that assumption. I'm questioning the fact that the Derry GAA board have never stated that they are responsible for GAA in County Londonderry. However, they are responsible for the GAA in the area which County Londonderry comprimises which leads to a de facto responsibility in this county. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see. I'd wager they say they are responsible for GAA in County Derry, so it's a pedantic but correct claim *grin* --Blowdart | ^talk 23:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. You can't say an organisation is responsible for something which they claim they are not. However, you can say they hold de facto responsibility for GAA in County Londonderry. Might aswell get this as technically correct as possible as it seems to raise a hell of a lot of discussion. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Are we really going to stoop to this level? Talking around what Derry GAA does or does not do in County Londonderry? It should stay the way it was, this is nonsenseical.Traditional unionist (talk) 00:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

It was nonsensical the way it was. Derry GAA has never professed as being the body responsible for GAA in County Londonderry. However, they claim they are responsible for GAA in an area which is exactly the same territory as County Londonderry. Hence, Derry GAA is the de facto responsible body for GAA in that county. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

No, Derry GAA covers County Londonderry. There, I just said in five words what you took fifty, nearly enough. Why use 50 words when 5 will do?Traditional unionist (talk) 16:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Because what you have said is technically wrong. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense. Derry GAA administer GAA in County Londonderry. What they call County Londonderry is neither here nor there, to say that they administer GAA in County Londonderry is technically, actually and reasonably, entirely correct.Traditional unionist (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Not true. While they administer GAA in an area which is the same as County Londonderry, you can't say that they do as they quite clearly claim that they don't. Plenty of former communist countries had a declared head of state, whereas the Chairman of their communists party was the de facto leader of the country. According to the Derry GAA website, Derry GAA is "The official site of GAA in County Derry". You can't therefore say they are responsible for GAA in County Londonderry as they don't accept responsibility for it. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 17:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Unless and until they declare the boundaries of Co Derry to be different to Co Londonderry, yes you can. The current working is needlessly confusing to a casual reader, and needless is the only word for you. You are being needlessly, and in my view wrongly, pedanticTraditional unionist (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The area administered by the Derry County Board is not technically the exact same as the county itself. Due to clubs being mainly based on a parish basis, and some parishes crossing county borders, there are some rare cases of (very small) areas of one county being part of another for GAA purposes. Not sure how that helps the debate though.Derry Boi (talk) 19:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well from the sounds of it it is so small it makes no difference, and it is probably replicated 32 times, not taking account of Co Dublin not existing anymore and Tipparary being two counties nowadays.Traditional unionist (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Somebody

Tell that ben hes a knob and some one change it back to county derry, the gaa is a symbol of nationalisim and represent the nationalist community of co.derry. No term in the gaa refers to excat giographical locations so they can say who they want —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.58.65 (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

GAA county

References to County Londonderry, which has not existed as an administrative division since 1973, are not essential in this article since the area administered by Derry GAA is actually the GAA county, which has only ever been called Derry. Londonderry is not a GAA term and if it is mentioned at all here, it should only be to note that the GAA county and the former administrative county are coterminous. Brocach (talk) 21:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The text you added seems unnecessary as that is already explained in the previous sentence that the Derry GAA is the county board. The beginning of the next sentence then just sort of repeats or re-enforces the same idea of the Derry county board. And County Londonderry still exists. It may not be an administrative division any longer, but none of the other counties are either so why should this be singled out? The county still exists as a geographic area and is referenced by postal authorities, government etc. Canterbury Tail talk 22:30, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Since there have been no objections or other comments I've gone back to the previous status quo for the reasons detailed above. Canterbury Tail talk 11:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I see this is coming up again but still no attempt has been made to discuss it here. Can you explain how the area it covers differs from that of County Londonderry? And if the area is different then that means, by extension, that other counties are similarly affected yet they all have the same standard wording. It comes across that for some reason County Londonderry is being singled out to have a different introduction to the rest of the GAA counties. Please provide evidence that it differs enough to have the odd wording that it does and should be different to the other articles. Also note that County Londonderry is still heavily used, as are the other counties in Northern Ireland. Canterbury Tail talk 01:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Anything before I set if back to what was the long term stable version as there are no references or discussion of the items forthcoming? This should be discussed instead of reverted to a version that makes unsupported claims. What other counties does it cover if it doesn't quite cover the same as the county but the surrounding GAA county teams apparently do cover the area of their counties. Not quite sure what other space this one can possibly cover. Canterbury Tail talk 01:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Again - the GAA county of Derry is not the same as the "official" county of Londonderry. As is explained in the GAA county article, a GAA county (not just Derry) sometimes reaches across (actual or former) administrative boundaries to take in clubs from neighbouring counties; for example, where a hurling club wouldn't have enough competition in its 'home' county, or where a GAA club, usually parish-based, has exclave territory. When a club from Donegal, Tyrone or Antrim plays in competitions run by the Derry County Board - as has happened - that comes under the jurisdiction of the GAA county of Derry, but the club has never had anything to do with County Londonderry as an official construct. This happens in many, perhaps most, GAA counties, but what makes this one a different case is that, in nearly all other (mainland) cases, the name of the GAA county is identical with that of the (actual or former) administrative division. But there are other exceptions, e.g. the 3x Dublin admin counties all fall within the GAA county of Dublin. There is not and never has been a County Londonderry GAA or a Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown GAA, and I venture to forecast that there never will be. The current text is perfectly adequate. Brocach (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

But while you're here, CT, as someone interested in the GAA maybe you could improve the article by updating the substantive content about sports? Brocach (talk) 16:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you could do the same and stop pushing your own political pov on the matter. Your change was reverted about 3 times with you ignoring the fact you should of abided by WP:BRD and reinstating what you believe the article should contain despite the fact it is clearly politically motivated. Where were your proposals for all the other county GAA articles? Where are your references for what is tantamount to personal research in the over-loaded and needless change you forced through without consent. I've reverted it due to this failure of yours. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

It is regrettable that you should claim to know, and then accuse me of pushing, my "political pov". I am trying to make articles relating to Derry GAA clubs, competitions and structures more accurate for encyclopaedic purposes by referring to the GAA county of Derry rather than the former administrative unit of County Londonderry, which no longer exists in any legal sense, and which never in any case had any connection with the GAA. Brocach (talk) 00:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

You are the only editor who seems to think so. No-one else agrees with you. Your continued pushing, your continued disregarding of WP:BRD, of ignoring other editors warnings and ignoring general Wikipedia policy in general leaves me finding it very hand to take anything you claim with any WP:AGF. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Just to point out - you spent more time populating redundant categories of your own creation when they already fall under Category:Derry GAA yet ignore making real proper improvements to this article and related ones. I.e. the sub-section I raised below. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I support asking for a reference. I've had a look at most, but not all, of the Derry GAA clubs and they all reside physically within County Londonderry. Which are the clubs that it covers that aren't in the county? Canterbury Tail talk 00:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that there is any. As far as I see there is nothing that differentiates the GAA county of Derry from County Londonderry other than name. At best what Brocach should work for is a suitable compromise based on actual fact for example we could state instead: " It is responsible for Gaelic games in County Londonderry, which is known as Derry in the GAA". Mabuska ^(talk) 13:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Such a description and clarification is definitely appropriate for the Derry GAA article, but not for the individual club articles that should state where they are (County Londonderry) and that they're part of the Derry GAA (not discuss the naming of the county etc. Canterbury Tail talk 15:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I concur. My suggestion was only meant for the lede of this article. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I made the change seeing as Brocach has decided to refrain from continuing to participate in the discussion and add sources to his statement. The change keeps the initial wording the same as that for the other 31 county GAA articles whilst explaining why it's called Derry GAA. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Manual of style for lists and tables

I have to say that this article is a mess in regards to how it lists things - nowhere is there a coherent manual of style in regards to them. It also teeters on being an example page for list and table styles. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion elsewhere affecting Derry GAA

There is a discussion going on here about naming conventions for GAA articles and categories. It includes a proposal to treat Derry differently from all other GAA counties. Brocach (talk) 13:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Derry GAA says that County Londonderry is Derry

According to user:Brocach. Please provide sources for the claim that the Derry GAA refers to County Londonderry as Derry. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Whichever way, it is still in County Londonderry and still in Northern Ireland. I see no issues with mentioning that the Derry GAA calls it County Derry, but you'd need a stronger reference than an address. You'll need some kind of a statement that they call it County Derry, and not that the web admin has put it on the contact us page. We all know that they do refer to it as County Derry, but like all items on Wikipedia if challenged it needs to be backed up with references. Canterbury Tail talk 21:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

To be honest , this is a case of prove the sky isn't blue. Prove they don't call it Derry . [1] and [2] Gnevin (talk) 10:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I was thinking about it after I wrote it and thought, no that's just me being silly. So ignore the above. Canterbury Tail talk 12:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought the way I put it last year was good enough. Mabuska ^(talk) 18:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Fudging

I don't have the book but it appears your fudging the reference to avoid saying Londonderry. Derry was a hotbed of early hurling activity, with the city's St Patrick's club winning the Ulster Senior Hurling Championship in 1902-03; county teams mainly drawn from the city won the 1906 championship by a walkover, and the contested 1909 final. However, soon after Gaelic football become the dominant sort and hurling activity declined (especially in the city) Why say especially in the city sure we are about the city aren't we? Drawn mainly from the city ? . If you must dance this dance can I suggest The county was a hotbed ....Gnevin (talk) 16:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I have the book in front of me, and as per my edit the reference is quite specifically to the city; to St Patrick's, a city club, and then to a Derry team drawn wholly or mainly from the city. Brocach (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Grand so. I've tweaked it a bit to be clearer Gnevin (talk) 16:59, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was clear enough, and have made it more so by restoring reference to the particular decline of hurling in Derry city. You seem to suspect my motives here and are changing material on which it seems you don't have any sources at all, never mind better sources than the Corry book. Brocach (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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