Talk:Dean Stockwell

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Ethnicity[edit]

I would really be interested to know what Dean Stockwell's roots are since he looks a bit like Tommy Lee Jones. I suspect, from that deduction, that he is a similar mix of celtic (i.e. Welsh, Scottish or Irish) plus some sort of asian race (e.g. Cherokee, Native American, South Asian, etc). I wish someone could enlighten me on this point. (Being of mixed race myself, I find people's ethnic origins so interesting.)

Role in Dallas[edit]

I would bet my life that he played the devil in the final episode of Dallas, but it isn't mentioned on imdb. But it IS true!

Reply: That is so interesting. And, yes, I believe you. He also played the devil in one episode of Quantum Leap. (He looks like my father-in-law's long-lost twin brother. I've always told my husband that his father is a silver-tongued devil...)

It might occur to some people to Google it instead of "betting your life". WP isn't based on "I think it's so," but on actual facts. Took me all of 17 seconds to find that Joel Grey played the Devil in the final episode of Dallas, and it is also "mentioned" on IMDB. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stargate[edit]

This talk page has the WikiProject Stargate tag, but there is no mention of Stockwell appearing on Stargate in the article itself. UncreativeNameMaker 23:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculous Photo[edit]

Are we using this 50-year-old photo of Stockwell only because we couldn't find an in-utero image of him as an embryo? Despite his absolutely unforgettable performance in Gentleman's Agreement, which is arguably the most well-known movie of the 20th century, perhaps it would be appropriate to display a likeness that is a bit more up-to-date? -Grammaticus Repairo 20:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The picture is almost laughable in how out of date it is. So their is NO public image of him as an adult? The man is like 80 years old and no more recent image of him exists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.72.152 (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this picture is ridiculous. And I have no idea why an image from the 1940s would be any more public domain than a recent one. john k (talk) 01:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because almost all recent photographs are copyrighted, while the copyrights on a lot of older images have expired, especially with old film trailers. I'm not sure whether you're saying you don't understand copyright or you don't understand Wikipedia's policy on copyright. It's more than likely that an image of Stockwell at a public event such as an awards ceremony or a convention exists, and if someone ever releases one without copyright, we'll be able to use it. It would be worth looking for one. In the meantime, it's a shame that offering negative comments or complaints is easier to do than offering to help with the problem. Have any of you three editors looked for a more recent free image? I only ask because none of you mention this, but judging by your comments it should be an easy thing to do. Rossrs (talk) 14:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's policy on copyright is ridiculous because it leads to results like this. If the process which has been agreed upon results in us having to have a picture of Dean Stockwell from when he was 12, then it's a bad process, and we should think of a better one. Not that that will ever happen. john k (talk) 03:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And that is why most regular people (read non wiki editors) think the "rules" here are bull. Here are my tildes -- 76.236.120.111 (talk) 06:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's policy on copyright is necessary, because copyright laws are specific and strict and punishments can be severe. Wikipedia's policy that "anyone can edit" is why it's plagued with "editors" who think they should be allowed to do whatever they want and ignore the rules. Perhaps the lot of you would be happier at Wikia.com, where even the rules of grammar and syntax are casually discarded; or IMDB, where you can make any claims you wish because sources aren't required or verified. Canonblack (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Hitchcock Hour[edit]

Just watched, on Hulu, a 1962 episode of the "Alfred Hitchcock HOUR" (the less-often-rebroadcast show that followed the original half-hour "Alfred Hitchcock PRESENTS") starring Dean Stockwell in a Psycho-like role, written by Robert Bloch:

Annabel Alfred Hitchcock Hour Season 1 : Episode 7 |50:12 | A chemist refuses to accept his ex-girlfriend's marriage to another man.

This TV credit is not presently listed in the Stockwell Wikipedia article. Am leaving it to more experienced hands to actually make the update.

Air date from <http://www.finifter.com/quantum-leap/information/stockwell.html>

Alfred Hitchcock Hour "Annabel" (11/1/62) CBS [m]

71.182.159.232 (talk) 06:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still married[edit]

I know Dean. It is NOT true that he is divorced. He is separated, but both he and Joy are devoted to their children. I respect Dean's privacy and I'm not going to edit the article. But the reference to the divorce, while widely stated around the Web, is untrue and should contain a citation or be removed. - -[roricka] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roricka (talk • contribs) 01:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He is currently married to a woman named Carol. Info from reddit, verified for authenticity by its moderators: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/obk0u/i_am_cylon_1_on_bsg_and_al_the_hologram_on/c3fyo49 EMWu (talk) 03:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article lists the woman as Carol Belle http://abqarts.com/?p=8999. According to her website, they were married before February of 2010 http://carolbelle.com/?p=484 - 71.75.135.69 (talk) 05:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is my understanding from various pieces posted online (and since deleted) that Dean Stockwell and Carol Belle were together for approximately seven years. She would occasionally attend comic cons with him. They went through with a wedding ceremony of sorts in February 2010, but it may not have been legally binding - although he did refer to her as his "wife" in subsequent interviews, such as this one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BrwwoMjRsY. They subsequently split up in about 2014. Ms. Belle has made various claims online about the circumstances, but these are not verifiable. I therefore do not think that there needs to be a reference to her and their possible/invalid marriage in this article - especially as the relationship has since ended. Andromer (talk) 03:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How interesting to read the sourced information in the article, then, that "It was reported in January 2017, by his wife Joy, that he had suffered and recovered from a stroke in 2015 and was now retired from acting." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:EA01:1090:D51A:8383:F7FD:8BAB (talk) 19:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see much about Dean being married to Carol. The last thing I saw online is of a forum where Carol claimed that Dean's family is keeping their distance from her - she also had a fb group omdedicated to her "husband." I am just an outsider looking in, but I theorized the Carol was Dean's handler when it came to conventions. The youtube video where he referred to Carol as his wife might have been as a joke as she likely took care of him during the cons. Carol probably became obsessed over the actor, hence her last post about the family keeping the actor away from her. Doomzaber (talk) 09:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I watched the YouTube video and he did seem sincere to refer to Carol as his wife. Not sure what to think.

Doomzaber (talk) 09:25, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Carol used to have a post up on his Facebook page (now gone) where she said they were together as partners since he was still legally married to someone else. They had pictures up of their ceremony too. The impression I got was, Dean very much wanted to be separated/divorced from Joy but for whatever reason, could not be. --174.16.42.199 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NCIS[edit]

Why no mention of SECNAV appearances? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.154.152.92 (talk) 19:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stockwell's mother[edit]

I have copied the following from the Help Desk. Maproom (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In all your postings regarding Guy and Dean Stockwell, you have listed in error that their mother was Nina Olivette. Guy and Dean's mother was Elizabeth Veronica Stockwell, Harry Stockwell's first wife. She was the comedienne, singer and toe dancer vaudevillian, having her two sons in NY, having her sons discovered by MGM talent scouts on Broadway as young boys. Nina Olivette is inaccurately listed as having a birth name of Elizabeth Margaret Veronica and she should be listed as Harry's second wife, long after his divorce from Elizabeth Stockwell. I am Guy Stockwell's daughter, Vickie Stockwell, and would appreciate that these corrections be made to my family's history on your website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.114.185 (talk) 10:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the false parentage claim, but hope that someone will be able to find some good references. Dbfirs 18:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to add that anyone on the WWW can claim to be anyone; unless you have a way to verify their ID, "Vickie Stockwell's" claims are no less OR than an anon IP claiming "it's true because I saw it somewhere," hence the need for citations. Canonblack (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dean's birth year[edit]

I'm aware that Dean has never said what his birth year is, but let's apply a little logic here. If his older brother was born in November 1934, then it wouldn't make sense for him to be born four months later. So those articles claiming 1935 don't make any sense. 67.137.62.98 (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is actually simpler than one would think. Guy was born 1933, as testified by his obituary, rather than 1934.[1] Hence, both the Stockwell brothers' birth dates have been erroneously entered. So it actually makes perfect sense.Holanthony (talk) 08:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Dean never states his birth year in the article cited- that is an erroneous assumption by the author. I've added a source from his unofficial biography, the best source available. 73.181.57.216 (talk) 07:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Death date[edit]

Wikipedia currently says he died Nov. 7, but according to this article, he died "Saturday", which would have been Nov. 6. Robert K S (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first reports said Sunday. As more articles come out it will get more accurate. Jorm (talk) 17:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph[edit]

Can we get some consensus noted here (rather than just the snarky conversation a few sections up) on what photo to use? From my perspective there are plus and negatives to both the recent available offerings which satisfy our copyright requirements:

A: The older picture is much better quality, its clearly recognisable as Stockwell, and more 'actory' if thats a thing.

B: The newer picture is less professional and lower quality, its an old guy at a convention, but Stockwell is closer in age to the roles people will recognise him from (Quantum Leap/Battlestar Galactica).

My personal opinion is A: we can still use B further down when we talk about his later career (its still in at the bottom), but the picture at the top is the one that does more justice to the subject, is going to be scraped by google etc. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Option A For celebrities after their passing, a black and white image is typically used as it reflects them during the height of their career. Look at Hal Holbrook, Ed Asner, Christopher Plummer, Cloris Leachman, Jean-Paul Belmondo, Martin Landau, etc. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Option B He is best known for Quantum Leap, and is much more recognizable in the newer picture. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]