Talk:David A. Clarke School of Law

Request for article creation

The first time I've heard of this LS was on TV on CSpan. If someone knows enough about it, please start an article. Thanks John wesley 19:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Completely Misleading Ranking Report in Main Article

I hate to say this, and you are supposed to give people the benefit of the doubt, but the main article says something about Princeton ranking this as one of the nation's most outstanding law schools. That really is hard to look at.

People can criticize any rating system, but the most recognized is U.S. News and World Report.

They rank this institution in the Fourth (and lowest) Tier, which what Top-Law-Schools.com says. This is not exactly a controversial conclusion. At the beginning of the article there is sticky that it is written like advertising. Sure is!

Something tells me I might get reverted if I edit that hoopla - we'll see. Mare Nostrum 10:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm also going to just delete, for example, the following and accompanying footote, which is more highly misleading advert hoopla: "Only six law schools had more top ten rankings than UDC-DCSL, whose three listings tied six other law schools." As usual in this present edit, the footnote is to their own press release. Mare Nostrum 13:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

MOVING RIGHT ALONG NOW THIS MADISON AVENUE PUFFERY CITING AGAIN THEIR OWN P.R. DEPARTMENT SHOULD COME OUT ENTIRELY, GOOD HEAVENS (and maybe I'll wait a day or two before deleting the doggerel):

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Princeton Review continues:

The employment situation for UDC graduates is unique, primarily because it stresses public service so much. The administration and a tremendous number of the students who enroll here want to provide access to the legal system to people who don’t have much money. A very solid percentage of graduates obtain judicial clerkships. Graduates also find jobs at small law firms, with the federal government, and with nonprofit organizations of all sizes. Older UDC alumni have gone on to become judges in a host of states. Ultimately, if you want to start out as a public defender, or work for a federal agency or a public interest organization, UDC is an ideal law school.

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Ideal, eh? The devil, you say! Mare Nostrum 13:52, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm taking the loopy happy talk out now. I'm still expecting reversions; whatever. Mare Nostrum 07:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mare Nostrum (talk • contribs)

References

Vandalistic Reversions Appear as Expected -- I gIve up but discipline is called for.

So there's a sticky on the article from November 2012 which says, quite correctly:

"This article appears to be written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. (November 2011)"

So I added some balance. This law school is *not* "one of the nation's most outstanding law schools" as the text deliberately lies, with premeditated intent to deceive. Every knows that it is down there somewhere, but some readers might not realize fully that it is in the fourth tier out of four.

I mean, this an amazing untruthful claim -- I think you could win a case for this on consumer deception.

I picture that a plurality of public institutions have someone whose job it is, once a week at least, to check what Wikipedia says and vandalistically revert any annoying information, however true and fair. I don't intend to spend my time fighting this, but just let it be clear,there is a vandal at work whose purpose is to retain the deceptive material at all costs and reject any criticism. In other works, to Wiki editors, "you can jump in the lake with your sticky."

If they don't want people putting it down that they're in the fourth tier, then they shouldn't publish the deliberate deception that they're "one of the nation's most outstanding law schools," and that that they found a quote somewhere to support the misinformation is no excuse whatever. What they are noted for is their clinical programs and their public interest/community emphasis; those are the things they should be trumpeting. And without telling tall tales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mare Nostrum (talk • contribs) 08:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Any suggestions on how to make this less of an "advertisement?"

I understand that the description of the school as "one of the nation's most outstanding law schools" full stop crosses the line given their overall ranking, very recent accreditation status etc...but I wonder what would be enough to make this seem like less of an advertisement? Expecting a law school to post a Wiki article dumping all over itself is as silly as attempting to objectively claim that UDC-DCSL "one of the most outstanding law schools in the nation." I'm not seeing much on this talk page about what people would like to see in terms of adding appropriate balance. They are in a low tier overall right now and they have to own up to it. But there certainly are positive developments and qualities that are worth emphasizing. I think one could objectively describe the school as "up and coming" given the upward trajectory of it's performance according to metrics used to rank schools in the "first tier."

They may be wearing their inferiority complex on their sleeve, but let's be fair:

1. they were the first school to incorporate clinical practice into the curriculum
2. they are fully accredited
3. they have a decent bar pass rate
4. they provide a lot of hands-on experience (they really do require more clinical hours than any law school in the country!)
5. graduates are highly regarded by local employers because they have so much hands-on experience before graduating (I'll freely admit, grads will have a hard time in any other region unless they find a legal nonprofit started by an established Antioch Law grad.)
6. they charge very little in tuition and provide generous scholarships so people can actually afford to be public interest lawyers when they graduate.
7. they are the only division within the University of the District of Columbia that isn't falling completely to pieces (If you think the law school's reputation is bad, search the Washington post for stories about any division OTHER than the law school.)

Harvard, Yale or Stanford they ain't but they're a far cry from other low-ranking schools that charge $40,000/year, give no hands-on experience, no name recognition in ANY job market, etc. Can we please talk a bit more about how to make this article more appropriate and less about how some people think it's the worst school and that anything positive the Princeton Review or U.S. World and News Report has to say is nonsense? In all honesty, what would people like to see beyond the cut & paste from the Princeton Review? One doesn't have to dig too deep to find reports about real accomplishments and innovative initiatives the law school is involved in. For the most part, this article is a little lazy/neglected...I'm not seeing anything in the way of bald faced lies.--Christine M. Clark, B.Sc 22:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plasmid203 (talk • contribs)

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The logo here is incorrect. I'm unable to update it due to Wikipedia's terms, but here is a link to the accurate mark. https://www.law.udc.edu/default.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by EclDC18 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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How to update article

The majority of this article is outdated. Our office (the UDC Law comms office) tried to update, but because of Wikipedia's terms regarding paid contributions, a holistic overhaul with updated information about programs, faculty, enrollment, cost, and status was reverted. We're happy to work with Wikipedia to provide sources (which we did in our edits) supporting the changes. Please let us know how to ensure our page is accurate if we're not able to update. UDCLawComm (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)UDCLawComm

@UDCLawComm: Thanks for asking! You and your colleagues are welcome to make requests and suggestions here in the article's Talk page for other editors to examine and possibly implement. ElKevbo (talk) 22:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Notable alumni - inclusion of Antioch Law alumni

Wonder if the inclusion of Antioch School of Law alumni is appropriate in Notable alumni the lede of which is “Including graduates of the closed Antioch School of Law:” (emphasis supplied). The D.C. school’s wikipage is not an extension of Antioch Law’s - the two pages are separate. The Antioch Law’s article separately lists its alumni, the two schools have/had different administrations, there was no merger of the schools, and the District of Columbia did not absorb Antioch unrestrictedly and consummately. Further, the new school was separately accredited by the ABA - given provisional accreditation in 1991 and 1998, with full accreditation in 2005. I don’t see David A. Clarke School of Law issuing new diplomas to Antioch Law grads and it has its own alumni. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 05:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)