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A fact from Dan Kroffat appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2009, and was viewed approximately 616 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that professional wrestler Dan Kroffat created the ladder match during a feud with Tor Kamata in Stampede Wrestling?

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The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Reverse prior move. Prior Wikipedia move discussions have debated the merits of having a disambiguation page when there are only two topics, even when neither one can be agreed as the primary topic. Those discussions have generally held that a disambiguation page for only 2 articles is, on average, less convenient for the reader, which is the overriding consideration when making an encyclopedia.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 11:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Cowboy" Dan Kroffat → Dan Kroffat over disambiguation page

The Hatnote (or hatlink) at the top of this article sould be enough. There really isn't a need to have a separte disambiguation page to disambiguate this article from Philip Lafond. Stephen Day (talk) 03:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support This guys name actually is Dan Kroffat, and the hatlink takes care of anybody looking for the other guy. TJ Spyke 04:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "hatlink" is usually used on a well known article with a link to a not well known article of the same name. Both Dan Kroffats were known well with that particular name, so a disambuigation page is needed. RandySavageFTW (talk) 06:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is it about the disambig page exactly that you believe can't be taken care of by the hatnote? Stephen Day (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just said that. RandySavageFTW (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment OK, somebody is looking for information on Phil Lafond, but they only know him from his days in Japan where he wrestled as Dan Kroffat. They look up "Dan Kroffat" and come to what is now "Cowboy" Dan Kroffat. They quickly realize that this isn't the person they were looking for, but see the hatnote and click the link which takes them to where they want to go. Disambiguation pages should only be used when they are needed for navigation. How does the page you created acomplish this goal any quicker than the hatnote? The navigation was already clear. Stephen Day (talk) 01:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who was better known as Kroffat? That's debateable. That's why we have a disambuigation page, it shouldn't redirect to either. RandySavageFTW (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would agree if both articles were named "Dan Kroffat," but they weren't and Dan Kroffat and Philip Lafond aren't anywhere close to being similiar. Since this is the case my above argument still stands. Stephen Day (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. People get to the article they seek by two means: searching, and navigating links. By definition, an ambiguous title ("Dan Kroffat") accumulates incoming links that need disambiguation. Meaning, links that need to be edited in the linking article. Putting a disambiguation page at the ambiguous title isolates those links, which is very helpful. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links. --Una Smith (talk) 04:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Continued discussion of above (lmao at it being archived)[edit]

Kroffat and Lafond aren't anywhere close to being similar? LOL. Because two Canadian wrestlers who were best known with the same name aren't similar. Yeah. RandySavageFTW (talk) 12:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do see your point even if I don't agree with it, but I'd actually say that Lafond is probably better known as Phil Lafon due to his run in the WWF in the late 90s under that name. Stephen Day (talk) 07:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]