Talk:Curtains (musical)

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Song List[edit]

Is the list of musical numbers correct? It differs substantially from the original cast recording. Of course smaller numbers might be omitted from the cd, but the order is different as well. Can someone shed light on the subject? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.188.70 (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

copyvio[edit]

This article was a copyvio of the talkin' broadway source so I deleted all the text and rewrote it as a stub.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 03:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned up the article, added more info re: the original LA production, removed the premature infobox for the Broadway production (which had a distorted photo and incorrect opening night date), and added a template indicating this is an upcoming play. SFTVLGUY2 15:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, if you don't mind I'm going to remove some of the reviews, as it sort of makes the article seem a tad spammy. I think one line from one prominent review is enough.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 05:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added info for the new Broadway cast! - NathanLaneFan!

Cast list edits[edit]

I am removing the LA cast list, which was added to the article before the Broadway cast was announced. It no longer holds the relevance it did at the time it first was included. SFTVLGUY2 21:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Backstage murder mystery"[edit]

An editor has deleted the following language from the article: "Curtains is a send-up, and an amalgam, of "back-stage murder mystery" plots, and its book and score are evocative of musicals from the '40s and '50s." He says it is POV. However, I think it is a factual description of the nature of the show, supported by the newspaper reviews. I think it is useful for a reader to understand that this is a send-up of the "backstage murder mystery" genre of musicals, and that the book and score are in the style of the old-fashioned, "golden age of musicals", instead of some of the more contemporary sounds and plots that one finds in rock musicals, Elton John musicals, Wicked, etc. Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Regards, -- Ssilvers 15:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to agree with you. I saw Curtains a few weeks ago. It is a merely factual description of the score and book of the show -- they are clearly referencing the Broadway of yesterday. John Kander himself has said in interviews that "Curtains" is "a Valentine to old Broadway." The intention of the creators is clear, and I think the above statement should go back in the article. Broadwaygal 19:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I just found this article that quotes Kander as saying, "This is the closest thing to an old-fashioned musical comedy that Fred and I ever wrote"[1]. Also, see this nytheatre.com review, March 21, 2007: Remember those crazy, silly backstage movie musicals of the '30s and '40s? ...Curtains really is the improbable miraculous musical of Arthur Freed's and Busby Berkley's imaginations. -- Ssilvers 19:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Broadwaygal??? No user page, no discussion page, no previous contributions, but she suddenly appears from nowhere to give you support. Very odd indeed. I hardly think an opinion offered by such an individual carries any weight.
You hit the nail on the head with the comment "supported by the newspaper reviews." What is a review if not someone's POV? If you wish to quote one with a reference, fine, but don't incorporate the description into an encyclopedia article as if it's fact. SFTVLGUY2 19:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Backstage Murder Mystery[edit]

Do you deny that the piece is "a send-up of "back-stage murder mystery" plots, and its book and score are evocative of musicals from the '40s and '50s"? If so, you have not seen it. -- Ssilvers 19:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please cite at least one of all the sources you claim say Holmes completely rewrote rather than completed the project. That none of the original book remains in the finished work seems highly unlikely. SFTVLGUY2 20:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. See "... based on and idea by... Stone"; and ""Holmes ...joined the project in 2003 and did a complete rewrite, using many of Stone's characters. The referenced Post review says, "Rupert Holmes ...was brought aboard to provide a new book and devise additional lyrics." They all say the same thing. None of them say that he "completed" the book. -- Ssilvers 20:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The sleeve notes for the Original Broadway Cast CD are fairly clear that the book was very extensively re-written by Holmes. He describes a meeting with Kander and Ebb when he suggests to them that the period be changed from contemporary to "golden age". He fully expected to be shown the door, but they took the suggestion on board. The intent was also to keep all/most musical numbers. Whether every single word was a re-write I couldn't say without comparing 2 scripts. The article in question was authored by Rupert Holmes himself but presumably was acceptable to the production team. Make of this what you will. 85.210.131.245 17:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Curtains.jpg[edit]

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Synopsis expansion[edit]

The plot section could probably stand to be expanded a bit to distinguish between Act I and Act II, to include the musical numbers in context to the story, and to provide the reader with a better idea as to how the show actually ends (personally, it looks to me like someone was trying not to spoil the ending for anyone when they wrote it). My only real knowledge of the show comes from the soundtrack and this article, so I know I'd personally appreciate it if this section could be improved. —Mears man (talk) 05:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. You're right! When the musical came out, a now-blocked editor kept deleting plot details. Unfortunately, now I don't remember the details well enough to write the ending. Can someone help? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know how it ends, or, rather, who did it, but I can't remember the character's name. The clue is in the partial sentence that was removed: "...and a persistent member of the press is becoming a problem." (I saw it but, as I've mentioned, I'm almost on my Wikibreak and can't do any heavy work until late March). JeanColumbia (talk) 22:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The lengthy synopsis that was on this page was marked as "Rupert Holmes, used with permission". Unfortunately, that still likely consists of a copyright violation under Wikipedia's rules. We can't use something in the encyclopedia that's licensed only for use in the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is under the GFDL license, a license which stipulates that everything can be used by anyone for any purpose, so long as attribution is maintained. Therefore, if Mr. Holmes wants us to use his synopsis, he has to let everyone else use it, too. I've restored the old synopsis, which, admittedly, is a little sparse. Perhaps someone can use the excised material to expand it. — MusicMaker5376 16:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I used the Holmes synopsis as one of several sources to expand what was there. If anyone has the script, they should check the facts, especially the exact sequence of events in the last couple of paragraphs, but it now complies with our article structure guidelines. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Note for the reord: This page has been vandalized 6 times, by IP96.20.247.99 (05-08-09, several times), Jeremy00100 (05-08-09, 15:51), and IP24.202.46.80 (05-04-09, 05-05-09, & 05-05-09), all by removing the properly sourced material on this production: "The first regional production of Curtains since closing on Broadway is playing at the Drury Lane Theatre in Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, March 19, 2009 – May 17, 2009." None of these editors has written an edit summary nor have they communicated, on this talk page (or any other) what their problems with this material may be.

I and another have reinstated the deleted material & I have given the appropriate warnings. However, due to my WP:3RR and WP:EDITWAR concerns, I will not revert this vandalism for several days, if then. (I don't know exactly how this works, when a group of editors reverts and edit wars, but I prefer not to risk my editing privileges over this.) JeanColumbia (talk) 12:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chracters[edit]

Shouldn't there be brief bios about all of the chracters in it? JDDJS (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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