Talk:Croatian Vukovians

Ijekavian Serbian

To the IP making these edits: [1], [2], [3]: Modern standard Serbian exists in two variants equal in status - Ijekavian and Ekavian. Here is the scan of page 22 of the official 2010 edition of Правопис српског језика ("Serbian orthography") published by Matica srpska, and written by Ivan Klajn and Drago Ćupić. The first sentence on that page translates as

Serbian literary (standard) language has two equal pronunciations: Ekavian and Ijekavian.

Ijekavian Serbian is spoken in Montenengro, most of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Sandžak, Western Serbia and parts of Croatia. In fact, there are more Serbs that natively speak Ijekavian Štokavian than Croats. Never in history has Ijekavian Serbian been a substandard form, as opposed to Ekavian. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 05:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Exactly what you said.Serbs in Bosnia and some in Montenegro use Ijekavian accent.Official dialect and almost only in Serbia is ekavian.There are more Serbs who speak Ijekavian than Croats you say?Haha i can't believe what i'm seeing.So your sentence could be little different or removed because Ijekavian is not spoken in literary Serbian in Serbia from 1869.Just in some other countries.I see what you are doing with other articles.Just erasing things and putting some of your things(i will not be rude to say some other word).You also made Croatian Vukovians more important than they are.Like they are more important than Ljudevit Gaj for example.On Croatian language article it is said that Croatian Vukovians cemented the usage of Shtokavian?I mean really?Did u wrote that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.141.230 (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

No, official pronunciations are both Ijekavian and Ekavian. Ijekavian Serbian is spoken in parts of Western Serbia proper. Every single Serbian grammar and orthography book says that. I gave you a reference. Serbian in Western Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia is still...Serbian, the same language.

Regarding Vukovians - yes they are very important. More important than Illyrians, Zagreb school and others combined times some large number. All of the smartest 19th and 20th century linguists were Vukovians - from Jagić to Maretić (author of the best Serbo-Croatian grammar ever). That statement that you dispute is also referenced by a 2013 book published in Croatia by a publisher specializing in Croatian language and culture. It' a very nice book, check it out in the library. Quoting from the page 85:

Zasluge hrvatskih vukovaca: svojim normativnim priručnicima (Maretiće­vom gramatikom, Brozovim pravopisom i Broz-Ivekovićevim rječnikom pridonijeli su konačnomu oblikovanju hrvatskoga jezičnog standarda na novoštokavskoj osnovici. Hrvatski je standardni jezik dobio u glavnim crtama onaj oblik kakav ima danas.

I'm erasing things from articles that represent POV or are irrelevant. If you have specific complaints use talk pages. But rest assured that I have arguments and sources for everything. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 04:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Ijekavian Serbian is spoken by just 52 000 Serbs in Croatia from almost 190 000.So what if some book say that both Ijekavian and Ekavian are Serbian dialects?Their Academy of Science say that Ruder Boskovic is a Serb and Ivan Gundulic.It means it's true?Who is Ante Bicanic anyway.You are so fond of him?You are not citing some other Croatian linguist who say different about Croatian language because this suits you and because you are downgrading everything that has "Croatian" in it.I will revert this as long as i can because it's not true.And if i have to i will post three or four books from Croatian lingusits which doesn't mention any Vukovians.Ok?Good luck to you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.145.96 (talk) 19:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many Serbs speak it and where. It's an officially allowed pronunciation. Stop vandalizing the article or it will get protected. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many Serbs speak it and where?Well that is a nice explanation from you.I guees it's nice to be you.Are you protected so that you can't get banned or something?It's officially allowed to speak vietnamese if u want to.You will not go to jail if u speak Vietnamese.Your knowledge of these thing is shallow and fascist i will just say that.It's enough.And i think alot of people who are tangled with you think in the same way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.145.96 (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

You don't seem to be familiar with the notion of a standard language - I suggest you study it a bit. Vietnamese is not standardized form of Serbian - Ijekavian Neoštokavian is. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)